I requested an IEE but no responseHe was tested for expressive and receptive too and they both came out average tho his receptive always comes out on the lower end or even borderline shy of not passing. Is listening comprehenson the same thing as social thinking? I only requested testing in pragmatics and social thinking. We do not have private speech therapy right now. They think he does not have autism so they are not acknowledging his personal medical records i have given to them. Its very frustrating! They told me a few months ago that it is not interfering with his schooling and they are not seeing all the things he struggled with in kindergarten, tho maybe they will be seeing them now? I wish. THey already evaluated him on the 9 of this month, LAST year so i just barely made it in time to request an IEE. We def cant afford to pay for an IEE ourselves even 2 be reimbursed later. I like the tactic of telling them i agree to whatever testing they want to run that way they feel like they have say or something to do with the way we figure this thing out. We def cant afford private school tho i really wish i could do it but my son would prob not do so good there either since he couldnt even handle his private preschool! Plus i know of no autism schools in our area either. One question i have. If an IEE showed the same things that the school districts evals showed would we end up having to pay for the IEE? Im not 2 worried about that part because hes regressed Im sure it wil not be the same and not to mention the fact that some of the testing was plain old inapporopriate to begin with but i am just wondering. So if the IEE showed he went way down in his scores, or needed speech therapy or had autism etc. They dont HAVE to acknowledge it or listen to it? Even if they paid for it and said it was ok to have it done? If thats the case im afraid why would they just acknowledge the IEE when they are not even acknowledging what they already have? Ugh! He DEF has executive function issues! And I have to prompt him to do EVERYTHING! Its really annoying actually! That is exactly what im afriad of that they will blamemy son. Ive already heard a comment from his teacher amidst her concerns, that 'he wants the answers given to him'. While that may be true i dont think its that simple. He always says all his school work is hard and i believe him but it is becuase of multiple reasons that i believe he cannot control or maybe even does not know how to. Thank all :)
[QUOTE=143hayden] One question i have. If an IEE showed the same things that the school districts evals showed would we end up having to pay for the IEE? Im not 2 worried about that part because hes regressed Im sure it wil not be the same and not to mention the fact that some of the testing was plain old inapporopriate to begin with but i am just wondering. So if the IEE showed he went way down in his scores, or needed speech therapy or had autism etc. They dont HAVE to acknowledge it or listen to it? Even if they paid for it and said it was ok to have it done? If thats the case im afraid why would they just acknowledge the IEE when they are not even acknowledging what they already have? Ugh [/QUOTE]Legally it is supposed to go: (1) Parent requests evaluation (normal one). (2) District makes up an assessment plan with the parent's input & Presents assessment plan to parent within so many days (15? but check your local procedural safeguards.) (3) Parent approves assessment plan and returns it with suitable paperwork to the District (maybe just another signature). (4) District does evaluation and then schedules an IEP within so many days of getting the assessment plan back (maybe 60 days, but check...). (5) At IEP meeting the parent disagrees with the evaluation and asks for an IEE. (6) District can then grant the IEE (and provide the parents with the procedure for an IEE), or the District can file for Due Process to prove that their evaluation was appropriate. [Some Districts will threaten a DP hearing. They seem to be deciding that this is he way to close down parents getting accurate information.] (7) If the district grants the IEE. It can provide a list of people it likes to do evaluations. Naturally you probably want to run from anyone the District likes. From the IEE procedures you should get qualifications for an outside evaluator that is not on the District's list. [Some districts have gotten into trouble for making the qualification require an educational credential or similar.] (8) You choose someone and go to it. If you cannot afford the money up front then you probably will get into disagreements over what the District can require of the evaluator and report. Some Districts want to see the evaluation report before the parent and get first rights to request changes. I don't recall if this is legal. (9) Your evaluator presents the report and the district has to consider it. My are considered all the way to the circular file. Anyways If they do not want to pay for the IEE the district's time to act is before they approve it. I have not heard of a parent being asked to pay for an IEE that went in the district's favor. And yes the district can ignore a IEE. They will say something along the lines of "The IEP team cannot be dictated to by an outside evaluator, they miust decide for themselves." I do not know what makes them decide to accept the recommendations or not. Probably a combination of the cost of the services you want compared to the cost of the court case weighted by the probability of success compared to the money left over in the budget, and bonuses paid to the staff for balancing the budget. Sorry, my lack of respect for my school district is coloring my answer. Ok so if they approve we are in the clear! If i pay for the testing up front and just be reimbursed do you know how long it usually takes? Since its tax returns I prob wouldnt mind doing that unless it would drag out for the time I get my money back! So basically if the school is already not liking the evaluation they have which shows his deficits (tho lacking in some testing) they will most likely not do anything that the new IEE shows he may need? I dont feel very confident that they will go along with the IEE if they dont want to provide more services? Of course if that is what they dont want to do, assumign with the money defiicits they have right now. uuugh.... [QUOTE=143hayden]The academic testings are fine but thier speech testing is where there is a big problem. They only tested him in vocabulary and articulation NOT for pragmatics and social thinking. He is not understandig what he is being told in class or what isbeing asked of him. I am also wanting another eval for autism because his issues going on right now are related to his autism which they are not acknowledging. [/QUOTE]Problem is that (my understanding, anyhow) is that you are allowed one IEE (at District expense) for evaluation that they do. (Gamesmanship issue here: Does "evaluation" mean one test or the complete evaluate-for-all-suspected-disabilities, I do not know if this issue has been resolved.) So you may have to let them have the first shot at evaluating if you want them to pay for the IEE. If you are paying yourself then you are free to tell them not to evaluate first, and that might be best here -- if you can afford it. Given what you've said, you might want to hope that the district claims that the old evaluation is valid, and then you can get an IEE since then did not test for pragmatics & social thinking. (But I know of no tests for social thinking.) Or you could just ask for one anyhow and see what happens. You may need to find out how long you can wait on an evaluation before asking for an IEE. I never have waited since my evaluations were so poor we disagreed even before the presentation of the evaluation was complete. One way to speed things along is to assume that (for legal purposes) that you will agree to anything that they want to do. Then you ask for the evaluation and mention that your request also constitutes agreement to whatever evaluations that they wish to run. Then you short circuit the delay of getting your approval for the evaluation plan before they start. They have then somewhere around 60 days to get to the IEP meeting. After that you see what happens and then ask for the IEE if you still need it. Sadly, I do not know of ways to speed things up unless the District wants to. If the District is being obstructionist in the end it might be cheaper to do a private placement. We have had a SpEd psychologist of a power trip basically tell us that he decides who qualifies, and the only way around him is through court. Unfortunately going to court is nearly as expensive as just placing privately (which I think is the point of what they are putting us through). ERA: Be aware that the District need only consider the IEE. There are lists where periodically the "worst 'consideration' horror story" thread comes up. Is there a specific test I can request for a highly verbal child? His vocabularys large but the big problem he is having the past few months being reported by his teachers is he is not understanding what is being asked of him or being able to follow directions or not understanding what people are saying to him. [/QUOTE] I would think that it depends on why he is not understanding. He has been tested for vocabulary is it probably is not that. But he could be missing out on the social cues telling him it is time to pay attention to an assignment. He could not be able to process the speech. Or he is not process it in a classroom environment. Or it is not registering as something that concerns him. Or maybe it is an executive function issue and he does not formulate a plan of attack to do the work. Again if your district is like mine, the either do not know how figure this out, or do not want to give the information to the parents to let them determine the answer to this question. You might talk to his teachers and try to figure out why his not following directions. Although given school culture http://www.wrightslaw.com/advoc/articles/ALESSI1.html it would seem likely they will start blaming your son. The academic testings are fine but thier speech testing is where there is a big problem. They only tested him in vocabulary and articulation NOT for pragmatics and social thinking. He is not understandig what he is being told in class or what isbeing asked of him. The school only tested him last year for vocabulary and articulation? He needs to be tested for receptive and expressive language (as well as pragmatics). Listening comprehension also. It sounds like the school's initial speech evaluation is far from complete. You can still request this. _________________________ mom to 10 year old boy/girl twins (Asperger's/PDD-NOS) I looked in my exceptional childrens textbook, and honestly I don't understand why they aren't taking that dx from any of the above people you listed. Especially since they have to consider IEE's, it just saves time to use anything you bring them. My district just took all my independent evaluations and rolled them into his IEP. Do you have private speech therapy? I requested an IEE for my son because of alot of difficulties he is having in school right now which his teachers have brought up to me. I first called the sp ed secretary to schedule a meeting with his IEP team to find some strategies to help DS which is scheduled for the the 17th. I then sent out a letter for an IEE either on the 2nd or the 3rd (i dont remember right now and dont have my receipt in front of me) but I have not heard from them since except a couple days ago the sp ed secretary had called me to change the date to a day later so that the school behaviorist could attend 2. I received a manilla envelope on friday with my procedulral safeguards in it and nothing else so I dont really know if they sent it to me reguarding his upcoming IEP meeting or reguarding my letter requesting an IEE? The 9th of this month (in a couple days!) will officially be 1 year since my sons last eval and im worried they may drag it out so that date passes, but can they do this or am i ok since I have documented proof that they received my letter BEFORE the 9th? Someone suggested I either email or write them asking about thier decision already but i also dont want to seem pushy or impatient (tho i do feel like this!) What should i do??? Evaluations are good for a year (typically) so they might drag out the 1 year - a bit evaluation and claim that it is still valid. But you could have disagreed with it (if you had a reason to) the same day that you got the evaluation and asked for the IEE. So having the old evaluation does not stop you from asking for an IEE. What will stop you is that the district may decide to defend its evaluation in due process hearing. So if you expect that it would be best to go over the evaluation and find areas that you disagree with and why so you will have something for the sue process hearing.But my question would be why start the IEE process now? Why not wait until after the IEP meeting and see what the district has to say? If the teachers are noticing something (and are willing to say same in the IEP meeting) then maybe you won't need to go that route. The academic testings are fine but thier speech testing is where there is a big problem. They only tested him in vocabulary and articulation NOT for pragmatics and social thinking. He is not understandig what he is being told in class or what isbeing asked of him. I am also wanting another eval for autism because his issues going on right now are related to his autism which they are not acknowledging. And the reason I am requesting an IEE is because I do NOT want them performing the evals on my son (they have screwed up numerous times) and I have been advised to not let them do the testing. I really want an autism specialists doing the testing. Also they didnt request the IEP meeting, i did and got it set up with the sp ed secretary. They havnt requested to meet with me yet (tho I did keep telling them we were in the process of testing with his neuro to see if his seizures were the reason for the change). Another reason why id like an IEE is because he has stopped progressing and even has regressed academically so idlike to know where hes at now. Not sure howthats an argument for an IEE but hopefully they will not fight me (im trying not to thinkn the worse!) Thanks for responding They have 90 days to respond to my IEE request? That sucks i hope they dont milk it, my son needs help urgently! Hes 6 right now and has pdd-nos dx from his neurologist, aspergers dx from his dev. pedi and autism dx from his psychiatrist. The autism dx is the most recent one he got last year. The thing is is that last year his teacher and I did the gars-2 and I scored his as very likely having autism (communication possibly, steryio. behaviors very likely, social(?) very likely) and his teacher scoring him as unlikely having autism (communication possibly, steryio. behaviors unlikely and social(?) unlikely). Which i dont agree with obviously but they ended up qualifying him under SLD and I was so happy just to GET an IEP for him i didnt protest. Is there a specific test I can request for a highly verbal child? His vocabularys large but the big problem he is having the past few months being reported by his teachers is he is not understanding what is being asked of him or being able to follow directions or not understanding what people are saying to him. Thanks! I was going to suggest the WrightsLaw website as well for their great information and guidance. |
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