Vacines[QUOTE=RandomKid]See though my thing is if it was the vaccines everyone would have it. So that makes em think there is something in the body environment something. However maybe this idk whatever you want to call it but maybe that reacts badly with the vaccine causing more signs and also regression. Not if my theory holds true that these children have something in them, genetics, that would have laid dormant, possibly forever, and the shot triggered it. There are many diseases that happen that way, triggered by something else. This is why families like the Duggars could be fully vaccinated and have 20 children without Autism, but families like mine can't have two children with vaccines without getting Autism disorders. My son was so agressive in his regression, no one can deny what was seen in him. His very pro-vaccination doctor was concerned enough that he asked if we wanted to wait with our younger son. I know it was hard for him to ask that, but he couldn't deny the horrible thing he watched in our older son. I feel like if there is a cause (such as enivironment, vaccines in genetically predisposed children, and so on), we need to find it. But, it doesn't have to be all we look at. We need to be dual focused. We need to find a cure for those families that want one that are affected by Autism and we need to find if we have things we can control that cause Autism disorders. I agree on people asking me about vaccinating their children. People ask me often. I tell them all the same thing. I tell them our story and then tell them that this doesn't mean they shouldn't vaccinate their child. What it means is, they need to fully educate themselves on any medication (vaccines, prescription, or OTC med) that they allow into their child's body, BEFORE they make the final decision. And do not rely only on your doctor's opinion. Even the top doctors in their fields don't know everything and can make mistakes. You educate yourself, and then make an informed decision, living with the reprocussions of that decision (good or bad). We are living with one right now. We stopped vaxing our youngest when our oldest was DX'd. We now have a 21 month old son with chicken pox. No biggie, but it could have been prevented. We chose against the standard and widely accepted vaccine. So, we now have to live with the choices we made. We are totally comfortable with that choice and the reprocussions of it. Ok so not to start some big fight hopefully or anything.... Who here believes vacines caused their childs autism Why do you believe this If you are not vacinating why do you choose not to I mean like I realize why you believe tihs but your child already shows signs ro has a dx so whats the reasoning Do you still vacinate your child? Do you believe soemthing else triggered autism? Please answer those that apply to you My theory is that it is not vacines. It has to be something in the enviroment or food or soemthing. Maybe something even in the body. Also most people on the spectrum were premies, have health issues, issues with birth, have weak imune systems, ear infections, sick as babies and small children, have gut issues. so maybe ti is something in the body....
Ok so not to start some big fight hopefully or anything.... I ditto this sentiment with my answers. Who here believes vacines caused their childs autism I believe, as does my husband and my Mom (she's an RN who thought we were nuts until she saw what we did with our son), that vaccines contributed to our son having Autism. We are not sure it really causes Autism, but that those who are genetically predisposed to Autism can have their Autism triggered by vaccines. Why do you believe this Because of what we saw. My son was 2 years old. We were firm believers that you fully vaccinated, on time, with every vaccine. We honestly felt (ashamed to admit this now, but we didn't know) that anyone who didn't vaccinate was irresponsible. That's how pro-vaccine we were. But, my son got his vaccines and we went home. That night he developed a fever. We felt this was the normal vaccine response that most children had and didn't worry. The next day he stopped talking, and that was the end of his speech for a long time. He actually had very advanced speech for his age. His doctors commented on his speech development. He started to do weird things with his toys (lining up trucks, train cars, cars, obsessively needing the same book and game over and over, etc). Then he started to run, and run, and run, for hours on end. He would run so much he wouldn't stop when he came to a wall or door. He would just slam into it. It got to the point that we had to put baby gates in all windows because he hit one so hard he nearly popped one out of the frame. He would hit his head, hard, on things like the TV, walls, the floor, etc. This was not the child we had just a week before. It was drastic, scary, and extreme. He finally started to talk again, much later, but he spoke like an infant. He lost all his words. ALL of them. He just babbled. If you are not vacinating why do you choose not to I mean like I realize why you believe tihs but your child already shows signs ro has a dx so whats the reasoning We have another son and stopped vaccinating him at 6 months old when our older son got his DX. We don't vaccinate him because we don't want to see the same horrible thing happen to him that happened to our older son. Do you still vacinate your child? No. Not anymore. Do you believe soemthing else triggered autism? I believe there is more than one cause of Autism. I have seen children develop Autism too differently to deny there's more than one trigger/cause. My younger son is another scary case of what we are doing to our children's bodies in this society. But that's a whole other story. We don't know if he has Autism, but it's looking like he will get a DX soon. Please answer those that apply to you My theory is that it is not vacines. It has to be something in the enviroment or food or soemthing. Maybe something even in the body. Also most people on the spectrum were premies, have health issues, issues with birth, have weak imune systems, ear infections, sick as babies and small children, have gut issues. so maybe ti is something in the body.... I respect this, and can agree with parts of it. I believe that SOME children have a genetic component only and that's all they need for their development of Autism spectrum disorders. I believe we have environmental toxins that are poisoning our bodies and creating these disorders in many children. I believe vaccines are the trigger for many children. My kids had the gut issues and so on. But our older son had NONE of those before his vaccines, none. They were non-existant before his regression. I think it's more than just "vaccines cause Autism". I have done so much research and feel there's a huge gut/mind issue there and it's something very complicated. I think that vaccines could be a contributing factor in autism, but I am not certain what the cause is. It could be environmental, it could be biological, or even a combination of the two. It's just so perplexing because there is such a variety of symptoms. I just want an answer found soon. Well, vaccines also have other side effects that not everyone gets such as guillian barre or the girl this year that got the flu vaccine and now can barely walk or speak. Everyone's body chemistry is slightly different, that is why we have so many different medications for ADHD, pain relief, antibiotics etc.I think the children who develop typically and then just seem to stop or slow are the most perplexing. Obviously something is causing it, but is it the way their body is and the change in development coded into their chromosomes? Or is there a weakness in one of their chromosomes that environmental factors take advantage of? Or is it completely environmental? The ignorant people annoy me too. Some days I wish I could kick them. But, I don't have enough money for bail and Sam needs me so jail isn't an option. I have no clue if vaccines had anything to do with my kid's diagnosis. I do find many people now ask me if I think they should have their babies vaccinated!! I hate it when someone asks me this, as I don't want to be responsible for anyone's choice regarding vaccines.I feel vaccines caused my daughters ASD. I believe everyone's body reacts differently to toxins. Not everyone exposed to carcinogens develop cancer. I know plenty of people that have smoked for the majority of their life and never develop lung cancer. Likewise, I have heard of people that never touched a cigarette in their life developing lung cancer. So to say that if it is vaccines than everyone vaccinated would develop autism is simply not true. I come from a very large family. My siblings and myself have 10 kids between us, and I have more than 30 first cousins on my dad's side. Not one has autism. My ex-husband has a significantly smaller family, and again no autism. Although, I do see several families with mutliple children on the spectrum, so in some cases I think genetics is the cause. My dd developed typically until her 1 year shots, then her language stalled and stopped developing. She got worse after her 18 month boosters. By the time she was 2.5 she was mostly non-verbal and not social at all. I haven't given her a shot since then. She is doing much better now. I think the mercury preservative in the shots caused her ASD, and her body has been able to metabolize the mercury over the years. I also will not give her silver fillings in her teeth, as they contain mercury as well. See though my thing is if it was the vaccines everyone would have it. So that makes em think there is something in the body environment something. However maybe this idk whatever you want to call it but maybe that reacts badly with the vaccine causing more signs and also regression. People who believe differently do not bother me or people who do not vaccinate. What bothers me is ignorant people who know nothing and say I do not want my kid to have that autism shot. Honestly I am having a hard time even thinking what caused for me. Some things that I think affected me. Not exactly a preemie only a week early or so, not breathing at birth, very sick as small child was hooked up to machines and constantly in the hospital, ear infections, asthma although it depended on the doctor, weak immune system. Although I was what you could say a typically developing and advanced in some ways kid and then suddenly one day had panic attacks in public etc. I have read up on quite a few theories involving this, and it seems to be about 50/50. Theres suspicion and even some proof that it may be linked to it, but not a defintive cause. I didn't see any affects directly from the vaccinations. We have had them all now, apart from the 4yo booster which I will decide about closer to the date. We noticed strong autism signs in DS between 20-24 months and his vaccination was previously at 17 months. DS showed signs of autism as an infant, I have photos of him just staring off into the distance, he never liked strangers to hold him and was quite happy in his own company. Autism never became obvious until 20-24 months when language didn't progress and eye contact went bad for awhile. His brain is just wired a certain way and it became more obvious to us the older he became, just a slow progression until you couldn't ignore it anymore. Nothing drastic happened to DS after vaccinations but whether it contributed to the progession of autism symptoms ... i guess it is possible. My theory is that my partners' side of the family have some undiagnosed aspergers and also dyslexia - i think it is all related. I think DS had the genetic wiring for a linked disorder and I had a few drinks whilst on holidays before I knew I was pregnant & this may have been the insult needed to close the case. Full term baby, very big boy & healthy to this day - hardly ever a cold or anything.
I do not believe that vaccines had anything to do with my son's autism. He was born with autism. Although we did not realize it at the time, he had signs from early infancy. He is fully vaccinated and has never had a bad reaction to a vaccine. Several of my older family members have suffered severe or lifelong medical problems from diseases that are now preventable with vaccines. So with that family history, I believe that vaccines are the best way to protect my child's health. You all might want to check out this link, its interesting
http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/204991.aspx [QUOTE=Gena]I do not believe that vaccines had anything to do with my son's autism. He was born with autism. Although we did not realize it at the time, he had signs from early infancy. [/QUOTE]Same here. My son came home from the hospital and by Week 1 was obsessed with staring at the ceiling far for up to an hour. He was late on every single milestone out there. I think that vaccines can exacerbate certain metabolic conditions (ie-the first Vaccine ASD case), and can cause symptoms that mimic ASD, or possibly even cause ASD. It's hard to ignore the parents who have videos of a perfectly developing child who loses all their skills within a week after the MMR shot. I think in 20 years, there will be 20+ 'different' types' of ASD......all caused by different factors-either genetic, environmental, or both. [QUOTE=laurengposs] I think in 20 years, there will be 20+ 'different' types' of ASD......all caused by different factors-either genetic, environmental, or both. Agreed - and while I know that there is a genetic factor for my DS, he was NT for almost two years. His development didn't even slow until almost his second birthday, and the regression didn't start until after 2 1/2. There's little doubt in my mind that vaccinations were a factor for us. The timing was just too coincidental, and at some point we have to stop calling it a coincidence! We were on a slowed down schedule, so he didn't get the MMR until 2 1/2. There were litlte quirky things before the shots - he could read numbers and letters at 19 months and lined up his crayons (but then colored with them) at 2. Beyond that, everything was fine. He was conversational shortly after 2, never had any trouble playing with other kids, and never missed a single milestone. He actually hit most of them early. The regression was fast and dramatic. More evidence for me that it's mostly environmental (with the obvious genetic predisposition) for DS is the fact that he's responding so well to diet and biomed. If it were purely genetic, it seems that such basic things like changing his diet and adding some supplements wouldn't have turned things around, but they did. I know that most kids are ok with vaccinations, but I don't understand why we have to do so many so fast, why they aren't trying to develop safer ones, and why they aren's testing for conditions that make the vaccines dangerous to babies. It's ludicrous to use a one-size-fits-all approach in any aspect of medicine, but that's what we're doing with vaccines. Janie, I agree...in a case like your son's....no one could honestly say that they feel his ASD is purely genetic.We're just on the flip side....J was always behind....on every single milestone. If the vaccinations did make a difference, he was already so far behind that it was unnoticeable. Being that my kids were vaccinated on their second day of life, how can I ever truly know vaccines were not somehow involved? How can I differentiate from being born with it? They never had dramatic regressions, but instead failed to meet some milestones on time (although many were indeed met). Looking back on it, my dd babbled for a few months and then stopped. I cannot link it to a specific set of vaccinations though. If I had known back then about even a question of a connection between vaccines and autism, I would have delayed that first hepatitis vaccine in the hospital right after birth. Being that I realized this possible link late in the game, my kids had all of the vaccinations with the exception of the MMR booster. Instead we had their titers tested, which were adequate. ______________________ mom to 10 year old boy/girl twins (Asperger's/PDD-NOS) I can't imagine that my child was the only one on this board who didn't receive his Hep B at birth? [QUOTE=ctmom] Most of our children were vaccinated within the first day or two of life- so if you think your child was born this way- how do you know it wasnt that hep b at birth? [/QUOTE] My son didn't get the Hep B at birth. He got it at his 2 month visit, which was late so it was more like 2.5 months (11 weeks). He was already neurologically different by that age. He had some of the difficulties we would later learn are sensory issues. He had oral-motor issues from birth, which caused him to be unable to latch on to nurse. He screamed in the carseat (we later learned that be could not tolerate backwards movement) the entire time he was in it. He had little or no pain responses and he even slept through his first two sets of vaccinations. Also, by the time of his first vaccinations, he was not making eye contact or cooing. These milestones are usually reached by that age. So yes, I know that DS was born with autism. I don't know the exact cause(s) of it: genetics, an illness I had when pregnant, the medications I took for that illness, the cystic hygroma he had in utero, etc. But I do know that it wasn't vaccines in his case. I said MOST of our children. I know my son got his before he left the hospital and that is standard procedure in MA. I didnt know enough to question it at that point- i trusted the doctors and the hospital. [QUOTE=ctmom]I said MOST of our children. I know my son got his before he left the hospital and that is standard procedure in MA. I didnt know enough to question it at that point- i trusted the doctors and the hospital. [/QUOTE]Me too (also from MA). I will not be allowing the Hep B shot for this baby, or any other shots until much older, if at all. I think every parent's opinion on what caused their child's ASD is a very personal thing. Some say vaccines, some say genetic, some say a combo of both. While I think it's fine to have a personal opinion about your child's ASD causation that you want to share, I, personally, would never argue with a parent for feeling that X caused their child's ASD, even if your opinion is that Y causes most ASD cases. Like I said previously, I feel that in the future we will find that some children's ASD was caused by XY, others by XZ, and even others by XYZ. My son got the Hep B at 2 months. He was somewhat fussy as a baby - but nothing out of the ordinary, I would say. He did have an intense look to him - but would smile and coo and laugh. He met his milestones on time - especially at first he was even advanced. He was a little late crawling (9 months) and walking (14 months) - but within normal limits. He did not point with his index finger until he was 13 months - which is a huge red flag for developmental issues though. He got all his vaccinations on time except we delayed his MMR until 15 months - our clinic did it at 12 months and I didn't want him getting that many shots at one time and also I had done research that it wasn't as effective at 12 months. The study was actually done at our clinic but hadn't been put into effect yet in terms of their protocol. We noticed several quirky things - but nothing major until he got his flu shot at 3 years old. Shortly after, his pre-school teacher approached me and said she was concerned about autism (although I think she said Asperger's). I think my ds probably had some quirks and that the flu shot brought on additional issues - for instance, obsessions and tantrums (which he didn't have tantrums hardly at all before this - which is odd because he was 3 1/2). It's hard to say - but we were very careful with my dd's vaccines after we realized. She got all of her infant shots, but we started spreading them out once we got to the one-year shots. She also has a few quirks, but is doing well. She has really come into her own this kindergarten year. We got her separate MMR (indiv measles, mumps and rubella shots) which are now no longer available. In fact, she will not be able to get the mumps shot because that is the last one she was missing and they no longer make it. It was suggested she could get the MMR shot - well, no thank you. We had her antibodies tested (now THAT was a fun day...) and she had plenty of antibodies for the mumps - from her first shot. Also to the chicken pox - so we didn't do that one either. She had had her first shots of both. Anyway, it is a very personal decision. But if you have seen a regression - it is hard to think that vaccines didn't cause them. There are just so many people and stories out there. Obviously, vaccines don't cause autism in everyone - but like another poster said, I think there are some people in which vaccines are a trigger for autism which might otherwise have been dormant. For me, we decided not to ever put more than one vaccine in our children's bodies again and never one with thimerosal. I'm trying to figure out what to do about the TD shot, which I know has thimerosa in it and will be required in a few years for my son. I obviously want him to have a tetanus shot - but don't want it with thimerosal in it! Ugh. I would think with all the amazing scientists we have in this world that we could come up with a better way than to use things like formaldehyde and mercury to preserve shots that are put into babies and children - and even adults for that matter! To me, it is a no-brainer that stuff like that should not be put into humans and that it woud cause negative long-term effects of some sort. I agree with many people on the board that think some kids may have a certain predisposition and the shots put them over the edge. My dd was developing "normally" until about 15 mos. as well. Then the MMR. People used to comment about how 'aware' she was and smiled and laughed at a very early age. Then it all went downhill...fast. When I was younger, my mother took us in for single vaccines. Maybe she had to do it more frequently, but perhaps that dosage was more appropriate for our immune systems. These days they throw 3-4 vaccines into one and I think it's TOO much for some young systems to handle. Let me be clear that I DO believe very much in vaccines despite what I've written. Vaccines serve a great purpose. But I also think they should be scrutinized to see just what the affects are. Especially these megadoses. AND it upsets me greatly to hear people express that though the shots "may" affect the rates of autism, that it's a better result than getting measles, mumps or rubella. Well, people don't generally die from those illnesses anymore and the thought that my daughter's autism is a sacrafice for that makes me very angry. Unfortunately, we'll all drive ourselves crazy wondering what the cause is. There's SO many different circumstances and no one can seem to find one common denominator. So while these post are very productive to get our feelings out - we can't let them turn us against each other in opinion...
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