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I had similar problems at the beginning of the year.
#1 Don't give up (you need to push push push)
#2 Reject that IEP
#3 Find an Advocate to help you with the IEP and CST meetings
#3 Get a consultant to go in and see what his placement is like and if it is inappropriate.

Wow.  Thanks for all your kind words and insights.   I am right now researching advocates and lawyers.  I am wondering if it is cost effective to hire an advocate, if I will need to hire a lawyer in the long run. 

All of this has been such an education for me.  Thanks for all the help.

My recommendation is to use an advocate. School districts oftentimes clam up with a lawyer in the room and are LESS likely to cooperate.  Also, if you bring your lawyer, they can bring THEIR lawyer.  They it can become a "mine is bigger than yours" lawyerfest! (Sorry sped lawyers -- this is not your fault.  It's the fault of the natural dynamics...IEP Teams feel threatened by lawyers).  Your best bet for the future school years for your child is to get someone in there who can really, really help encourage a COOPERATIVE dynamic.  Below are two GREAT ones in the New England area (they travel):

Dr. STEVE C. IMBER  (Advocate)
PSYCHOEDUCATIONAL CONSULTANTS
145 WATERMAN STREET
PROVIDENCE, RI 02906
Phone: 401-421-4004
Fax: 401-233-0946
Email: scimber1@aol.com
Website: http://www.dr-imber.com
 
 
 BRICE PALMER  (Attorney)
LAWTEMPS, LLC
P.O. BOX 35
FAIR HAVEN, VT 05735
Phone: 802 537-3022
Fax: (802) 537-2022
Email: askotis@shoreham.net

You will learn soon enough you are your childs biggest advocate, teacher , doctor and best friend. Shout don't whisper what is best for your child. I know when Abby's IEP was written up back in june I was not happy that they only given her once a week of speech and everything else twice a week. Well, after even though it was a long wait , my dd is getting speech twice a week.

Hi-

I'll give just a brief overview of what we have been going through.

I have a four year old son who was recently diagnosed (August) with PDD-NOS.  Before his diagnosis his school services were as follows: Integrated Preschool 2 1/2 hours a day (four times a week) Speech 2x 30 a week, OT 1x 30 a week, both of which he is pulled out of class for.

The doctor who diagnosed him with PDD now recommended in his report that he should be getting a full day, year round program.  Keep in mind that this doctor is world renowned in the field of Neuropsychology.  We waited a year for this appointment!  So anyway, the school says, NO, we don't agree with said doctor's findings, his placement is appropriate, HAVE A NICE DAY.

What do I do now?

 I haven't slept in two days because I am so upset from the TEAM meeting.

BTW we are in Saugus, Massachusetts

Hey Fellow-Massachusian !!   I'm a little north of you !

My thoughts are varied....obvioulsy the first is to reject the IEP as it is.....that doesn't mean anything will change immediately, but it will ensure a new meeting be reconvened.

You haven't really said what your thoughts are....how do you feel about his progress to date ?  Has he met goals and more important...are his goals as written specific enough and do you feel satisfied with progress they are projecting for him ?

You are going to have to prove that the placement as is isn't doing what needs to be done in order to make a change.  A doctor's report sadly isn't all you need ( though it is an important thing to have).....so reject he IEP and in the few weeks time that they take to make a new meeting....comb through his IEP....reread those goals....are they high enough or are they just coasting him thorugh.....what is his progress....has he reached prior goals or are the goals a repeat from last year ?  not reaching goals is the # 1 sign that he needs more than he is getting.

Have you read Wright's Law.....from Emotion to Advocay....if not....get to your library or bookstore TODAY and read it all ( tomorrow....tonight is for Red Sox

Good luck And keep me updated !!

I used to be from mass, now I still had problems with the school district up here.  I accually called  a place callled the parent information center and they knew the laws inside and out and they helped quite a bit.  is there anything like that down in ma?  I assume there has to be.  Call them and find out what you can do.  its going to be hard but stick to your guns!I agree 'wrightslaw' is a must have book!!!
I have had my share of troubles with the school district and what I really
forced myself to learn is that it is not personal. I have spent my share
crying and it does affect my child personally but it is not personal. It is
about the budget and the trouble. Your kid is guranteed a ''free and
appropriate education' (called FAPE) to meet his needs, not the best
education or an education he will make the most progress on. Get an
educational advocate, study up and get ready to agrgue with them about
why his current schooling is not providing him with an education that is
appropriate for him. Pave is a natonial organisation who has some free
advocay, if you can afford it look on wrightslaw.com in their yellow pages
for a professional educational advocate.
I am not saying that your schooldistrict is doing a bad job with your son -
they might do pretty well. But you want to look at what his progress has
been. Why did the doc recommend full day? Is it because your ds has not
been making enough progress or is it because he felt that full day could
maximize his progress. For the school district that is a huge distinction-
they are not in the business to provide any kid - disabled or typical - with
the best possible education. Just an appropriate one. If you feel that your
son is not making good progress think about why that is. Are they not
doing what they are supposed to according to the IEP? This is what I
suspected with my ds's school and I just walked in and asked to see his
file with the data and it turned out I was right because they did not have
much to show to me.They ended up admitting that they had not been
working on much of his IEP. Or do you think that they do all they
promised but that it is truely not sufficient - then you need to make
arguements in the direction of why they are currently not providing the
appropriate education for your son's needs. And why the doc's
recommendation would accommodate his needs.
I use to arge until we got what we wanted. It makes us ill to hear such bad stories. All that you hear is the lack of money. Who cares that isn't us parent's problem that is the school systems. Stop the focus on sports and put it in education. THEY SUR

The law says that each child is entitled to an appropriate education, not the best education.  Yes, caselaw (Rowley) literally says a child is not entitled to the BEST education.  A doctor is a medical expert, not an educational expert. His opinion is informative, the IEP Team must CONSIDER it, but they don't HAVE to implement it.  Your best bet for additional services is to get progress monitoring in place.  It would take too long to explain that here, but ask them about how they are monitoring his progress.  If he's getting ABA, the data will serve for that.  If he is NOT making progress in some area, you can ask that services be intensified in that area. That may or may not increase his school hours.

Of course, parents can privately increase the child's interventions. You might want to check out whether or not your doctor's opinion might have some influence on your health insurer so that they will pay for outside services.

Good luck.

I used to live in MA (North Shore myself)....if you need a good attorney, you can not go wrong with Kotin, Crabtree, and Strong (they are THE best)...I am not sure what NeuroPsyc you went to  (we used Castro at the CEC) but they should be able to steer you in the direction of someone who can perform a classroom evaluation (on your dime)  (Dr. Michael Cameron at Simmons is excellent btw) and someone who is educated to act as an education advisor and can make a recommendation (who understands what these kiddos need and where what they are getting is a short change - if it is a short change...)...both Kotin and Crabtree can point you in the right direction as well...this might help you with the district, if not, it will make your case at a hearing very good...don't give up fighting.... It is one thing if they do not offer an all day program that can give the services needed, but if they do and they just don't want to add your child because of the bottom dollar (ie, class is full w/student-teacher ratio...hire another teacher and make the child fit in the class).  Remember if they offer it to another child, fight for it for your own.  If they don't offer it to any child, you have to take him to therapy on your own after school.  If that's the case, you and the doctor have to convince the insurance to pay for it.
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