Immunization Question | Autism PDD

We, at our doc's suggestion will have waivers for Liam's MMR booster. He also reccomended the same same for my 2 year old's initial MMR which we have not yet gotten. Everything else is up to date.

He did say there is no such thing as a genetic epidemic. He believes the AS numbers may have seen a slight increase due to better assessment. However, he also beleives that the current vaccine schedule (which I believe the CDC recently added more to) IS responsible for increases in ear infections, GI issues and allergies. He also stated that the casual link between the MMR and regressions is enough evidence for him to be hesitant.

I truly believe the new conversations about autism will involve vaccines, enviornment and biomed treatments. In fact, if you look around since the Oprah show....that is ALL they are about. I also believe the safe Biomed treatments will shortly become as acceptable as ST, OT and ABA.

i have to take my 11 yr old to his well child visit and they say he is supposed to get another tentanus and chicken pox vaccine.

he told me he will go to the visit, but he would like to refuse the shot.

Now- I don't think the vaccines did it to Jer, but....i think we may be refusing.....

we go Nov 9.....

We no longer do them. Our allergist/dan dr. did a tider on Daniel. He doesn't need anymore shots. These are not 100% effective anyhow. I don't believe shots are not a part of the rize in asd. I just herd 95% of boys have asd now. This is way to high to be genetic only. I don't listen to the studies cause of who funds them. Thyroid/diebetes disease is also on the rize.

By chance our youngest child never received the MMR, his shots stopped at 4 months due to insurance reasons. He is a very bright child and developing normally.

We stopped after 2 years ago, Our oldest with Autism is not going to receive anymore. I sent a letter to the state health department stating a request for exemption due to personal reasons. They sent AFFidavits for both kids and that is what we use. The only thing I have to do is have them notarized when I have to use one. One thing I have realized since our bout began was to always listen to my gut and not be bullied into doing something I didn't want to do. I'm a fighter now and I have had to fight when they have wanted to give him shots they think he needs.

It's true my kids will not be allowed to visit third world countries but they won't be getting potentially harmed by vaccines either. I didn't go into this blindly either, I researched extensively.

Good Luck!

[QUOTE=zayzer]Thanks little byrd. They have refused to order it. The health department even refused to order it for us. We went through every dr. in the practice and called around to others. Apperantly if you don't have what they call a serious reaction they expect kids to be fully immunized according to schedule. They never even put in his chat when he had the first shot and cried hours and hours and got sick. He was never the same. Since no one put it in his chart it never happened as far as they are concerned.[/QUOTE]

He is probably already immune to measles if he had his first MMR. Remember the CDC cite stated that it is only administered again to catch the 2% of the population who did nto develop an immunity. You can always check the titers just to see if there is an immunity right now.

Sorry about the doc issue. Stinks.

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Thanks Jenni, although I'm sure it is rare it's still scary to think about...my dd is due for her 2nd round next year...I didn't know Mason had autism at the time she got her first set of shots.

Although Mason's symptoms and traits seemed to be there before he had his shot, it is still something that sits in the back of your mind. SCARY!

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Yeah, it is probably really rare that that occurred, but I also wonder how many children developed other immune related issues after getting the second MMR - such as asthma, gastrointestinal problems (even the minor ones) , or allergies/ intolerances.

Yes it does stink. But I am glad he won't be getting anymore shots. My niece had both shots and came down with the measels anyway in 1990. She got over it just fine. The DR. sure was not happy when my sister showed up with her and they found out what she had. How was she to know it was the measels? Her child was supposed to be protected from that. My son got sicker from the shot than she did with the measels.

Thanks Jenni, although I'm sure it is rare it's still scary to think about...my dd is due for her 2nd round next year...I didn't know Mason had autism at the time she got her first set of shots.

Although Mason's symptoms and traits seemed to be there before he had his shot, it is still something that sits in the back of your mind. SCARY!

I don't think my son's ASD has anything to due with vaxs.

But my #4 child, I chose to delay and only do 1 shot at a time. She happened to be my healthiest child!! No ear infections--while the other kids had them all the time.

They are also adding a huge amount of vaxs to the schedule when they are 11-12y. My 2 older girls--11y and 12y were suppose to get a bunch. I did the Tdap at one visit and Hep A a month later. They want them to have the menigitis, chicken pox booster, and the new HPV.

I did the Hep A after talking to my mom. She had Hep A right before she got married. She even had to delay the wedding---she was sick for over 6 mo. She said it was the worst thing she has ever gone thru. It also damaged her liver. We eat out alot(not fast food---but grabbing food at the cafe counter at the grocery store)---so I decided we better get that one. My mom got it from a donut.

Thanks little byrd. They have refused to order it. The health department even refused to order it for us. We went through every dr. in the practice and called around to others. Apperantly if you don't have what they call a serious reaction they expect kids to be fully immunized according to schedule. They never even put in his chat when he had the first shot and cried hours and hours and got sick. He was never the same. Since no one put it in his chart it never happened as far as they are concerned.

[QUOTE=Payne's Mom]If even he agrees with the titer thing...why not hold off until they're older? It's not necessary RIGHT NOW ... even according to him.

Who knows, we need it for school unless we get a religious exemption.

You can get an exemption for other reasons too...at least here you can...you go to the public health office and get the form. [QUOTE=zayzer]

I was not aware that the mmr immunity wears off. I was told the shot at 4-6 with mmr was for the 10 percent of kids who did not make adequate immunity on the first shot.

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That's what I thought too. I have to do some more research on my own I guess. It's too bad we can't trust our doctors and have to be supermommies. It's a doctor, it's a therapist, no it's SUPERMOMMY![QUOTE=catmille][QUOTE=zayzer]

I was not aware that the mmr immunity wears off. I was told the shot at 4-6 with mmr was for the 10 percent of kids who did not make adequate immunity on the first shot.

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The MMR is given at 4 to catch the small percentage of children who did not develop an immunity when they first rec'd it at 1-2 yrs. It is on the CDC website that it is given for this reason and is NOT a Booster shot. Not only that, I believe most if not all states only require the measles shot at 4 yrs...not the measles mumps and rubella. So if you have no problem w/ the schedule your child is on, then you ought to ask to only get the measles shot, not the MMR.

You can get more info from www.909shot.com and www.generationrescue.org

http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p4209.pdf

When should children get the second MMR/MMRV

shot?

The second dose is usually given when the child is

4-6 years old, or before he or she enters kindergarten

or first grade. However, the second dose can be

given anytime as long as it is at least four weeks after

the first dose. MMRV can only be given through

age 12 years.

How effective is this vaccine?

The first dose of MMR vaccine produces immunity

to measles in 95-98% of children vaccinated. The

reason for the second dose is to protect those persons

who did not become immune after one dose.

After two doses of measles vaccine, 99% of persons

become immune to the disease.

Yes, the current research being done about the link to the vaccines is no
longer about mercury, but how the amount of shots given at once and at
such a young age might possibly trigger an immune reaction in
children--causing a whole host of other problems. There are no solid
answers yet, but this is the current thinking.

Ask your ped to order the MMR shots as 3 separate shots. This will be
costlier, but often you can find other families in the practice willing to
share the cost of the "bulk" package. give them spaced out, one at a time.

If your child is on the lower end of the weight scale, I would wait even
longer till they weigh a bit more. ( so they don't get in layman's tems--
too high of a dose) lastly spread them out--do one shot at a time, that
way if your child reacts badly to it, you know which one it is--and you can
delay or re think any boosters.

You could also have his titers done...might be no need for boosters. My doctor is insisting that titers are not that accurate. I guess they are elevated at the age of 4 or 5 but decrease over time as the mmr immunity wears off. Why do they make you do the shot at 6 then. why not wait until later? I never know what to believe. We stopped shots at 9 months for our 2 year old and his delays are significantly less then 4 year old ds. connection???!!! I don't know.If even he agrees with the titer thing...why not hold off until they're older? It's not necessary RIGHT NOW ... even according to him.

Hello Everyone,

I am the mother of two young boys, Trevor and Benjamin. Trevor just turned 5 and has a diagnosis of PDD-NOS. I believe Trevor was born with this condition but my husband and I can't be sure there is no truth to immunizations having played a role in its development. Now my younger son Benjamin is perfect and developing right no pace but he is about to turn 2 and is due for another round of immunzations. I have heard that the "autism shot" comes in this round. Does anyone have any advice to offer? We are thinking that we are going to insist that the pediatrician stagger the shots instead of administering so many togehter in one round. But which shot is it that they are speculating does the harm. i just want to know what I am talking about when I bring Ben in. feedback please?

Spread out the immunizations and break apart the MMR.

I tried my best to get just the measles shot. No one would order it like that. Tried for a couple years. In the end because my son had a bad reaction to the first, I got an exemption(religious). The Dr. was not happy. And altough he said it was not the cause of autism he refused to gaurantee me that my son would not get worse.

I have a question...maybe I'm really naive by asking this, but has any child ever started showing symptoms after the second shot? Maybe has a few quirks or whatever, but then gotten worse after the second shot? Or for some reason autism symptoms show up at a later age and after the second shot?

Just curious I guess.

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Just curious I guess.

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I know of a DAN doc whose daughter was NT until she rec'd the second MMR at 4. She regressed and became severely autistic. Since doing biomed, her dd is doing well...

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hopewell pharmacy in NJ and Wellness Health pharmacy in Birmingham AL both sell the MMR in separate shots. They will overnight it to the doctor.

http://www.hopewellrx.com/

http://www.wellnesshealth.com/default.asp?ID=2

We are starting Nina at 2 years old if she isn't autistic, which I am beginning to highly doubt. If she is she will have none most likely. sharlet will not be having anymore, they make her sick and regress.

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