I have dyslexia and still can not remember number sequences (like phone
numbers) It took me till 3rd grade to learn to read, though I read tons
today.
My ds was tested for dyslexia and they said that he has some weak areas
but not the whole picture. He does okay with numbers but much of his
writing is in mirror image (he is seven). He can't read yet and with short
words he still does not remembers what direction to read from.
My mom was a teacher and said some kids have those mirror-image
problems. In her experience it gets worse by beginning of second grade
and than is mostly gone by the end of the second grade. Her advice (not
asd specific): practise, practise, practiseI was told at our recent autism evaluation that children can write letters backwards up to 8 years old and it is still considered normal (which is why we did not qualify for OT). I have some dyslexic family members. They interchange their letters and numbers, If the number is 37, they write 73, or read it as 73. They also have a difficult time with vowels, Most things have to read twice for a good comprehension. They also will change the words around when reading. My son was tested for dyslexia and test showed, dyslexia could not be ruled out, but thought it was more complex than that, so the Doc. called it a Broad Language Learning disability ? My son wrote his numbers and letters backwards and even upside down and backwards until about 5th grade. He still does it , but it's rare. If your child is having a hard time learning how to read you might want to get him tested for dyslexia. If you have insurance it might help cover the costs. Good Luck
My boys are 6 1/2, just started 1st grade, and both do this for certain letters (both make N backwards, sometimes mix up b and d). I'm told it's normal.
Someone posted here before that it is normal until 3rd grade!
-- I remembered b/c T not only reverses letters, but entire WORDS! She is in Kg and the teacher was having a cow ...
He's not really reading yet and has problems academically and has resource help in math and reading, he knows some sight words and 1st grade is when they are suppose to be reading more so I know we are going to have lots of challenges with this.
NorwayMom said:
My son is 9 and still writes letters and especially numbers backwards sometimes. I think it's because half the numbers face left (2 3 4 7 9), but very few letters face left. Only J and Z face left among capital letters, and only a d g j q y and z face left among the small letters. So I think that while my son was learning his capital letters, he concluded that written characters face right, and he has trouble learning that there are exceptions to the rule he made for himself. Just a theory -- he has never said anything about it, and I haven't really given it much thought until this morning.
My son also invented his own style of how he writes, I notice on some letters he starts from the bottom to the top. Thanks for the article, I am going to read it. I hope he will out grows it but doesn't seem to have any of the other issues you stated. Thank you everyone for the feedback!
Hi, I come from a long line of dyslexics. My grandmother, my dad, sister and myself are dyslexic. We are pretty sure my nephew is too.
My sister had a hard time with writing backwards. I remember she had a private tutor for a while to help her out with this. I think she was in third or fourth grade. I had a tutor too but it was mostly for reading and spelling in sixth grade.
To this day I have big problems in remembering things, like phone numbers and addresses. I get lost really easy and usually the night before I go anywhere that I am not fimiliar with I have a "practice drive" so I dont end up late looking for the place. I have no direction and cannot tell my left from my right. I also have no idea of what I read most of the time.
I think dyslexia becomes more noticeable when your dc learns how to read. Then its pretty obvious:)
My 11y has all the learning disabilities--not just dyslexia. Dyslexia is just one kind. Dyslexia is a difficulty in reading. There are also disabilities in writing, spelling, math, and language. Also--ADHD/ADD are types of LD's also.
http://www.medicinenet.com/learning_disability/article.htm
My 11yo has dyslexia, dysgraphia, dyscalculia, receptive language probs, ADD, and probably more.
I just found this great website.
http://www.helpguide.org/mental/learning_disabilities.htm
I knew there was something going on with her after K. She went to public K and didn't know any letters or sounds. I homeschooled her 1st grade and taught her the letters and sounds. She could read "cat" "dog" the summer before 2nd grade. I put her back in school for 2nd. She was in the lowest reading group---but OK. 3rd grade it hit. Things were starting to bother her. The buzzing lights, kids erasing and their desks moving, etc. Clothes!!! No more jeans or anything that itched! What a nightmare that was after buying her new school clothes (that ended up itching her!!!) Sensory stuff which she had never had. (this is a non-ASD kid). Got her checked for ADD/ADHD. Really didn't have it. Since the school tested her and told me she didn't have a learning disability---and an IQ of 93, I had our psych test her with neuropsych stuff. She did have LD's and I pulled her out of public and sent her to private with only 12 kids in the school. She was able to go at her own speed with zero competition from anyone. All were in different grades. She loved it!! She did start it again last year---but I realized she was unable to do any homework or schoolwork by herself. So I got her academicly tested and put her back in public--but at the same school as my HFA son. She was in resource for reading, writing, math, and speech (I got her privately tested for language probs) She scored everything under 79. Under 85 is need for school services and private. Her lowest scores were in the 50's (.5% and 1%) Those were in receptive language and working memory. She was 10yo and we just found this!!!!
As of now--11y and will be starting 6th grade--middle school next week. She is in all spec ed classes--intragrated class. (half spec ed---half general ed). She scores 3rd grade reading and probably lower for math. She can't memorize any math facts. Still counts on fingers for adding/subtracting. Can't do multipication or division yet.
It's been a long road for her. Not only academicly---but emotional. Extremely low self-esteem and she has severe anxiety(in which she can't take any antidepressants for(she goes manic) Even a school phobia.
I'm very thankful my 7y HFA son has no academic LD's yet.
http://www.ldonline.org/article/277 If a child is having academic problems due to a suspected learning disability, the school has a legal obligation to test them under the "CHILD FIND" requirement. Dyslexia is explicitly listed as one of the sub-categories of specific learning disability in the federal law. If you think your child should be tested, you should make a formal request for evaluation in writing to the superintendent and director of special education. You should send the request certified mail, return receipt requested. The school must either agree to do the testing or inform you that they are refusing to test, the reason for the refusal, and inform you that you have the right to request a hearing to force them to test. You also have the right to obtain an independent evaluation, and the school is required to consider the results of all such independent evaluations. My son is 9 and still writes letters and especially numbers backwards sometimes. I think it's because half the numbers face left (2 3 4 7 9), but very few letters face left. Only J and Z face left among capital letters, and only a d g j q y and z face left among the small letters. So I think that while my son was learning his capital letters, he concluded that written characters face right, and he has trouble learning that there are exceptions to the rule he made for himself. Just a theory -- he has never said anything about it, and I haven't really given it much thought until this morning. I found an article on the phenomenon, which said that it's Its a developmental sequence, so some will go through it faster and some will take longer. Since autism is a developmental delay, I myself conclude that it is understandable that kids with autism take longer to master this. The article also says that writing backwards might indicate dyslexia if it's combined with other symptoms, for example: Your child is still writing letters backwards after grade one. He also has difficulty memorizing sequences, such as her home phone number, her postal code or the alphabet. Your child writes letters or numbers in an unusual way: for example, writing an eight as two circles on top of each other rather than in a continuous line. This might be normal for a younger child, but if it continues after age seven or so, you might want to investigate further. He often calls objects by the wrong name for example, when shown a picture of a volcano, he calls it a tornado. The article gives tips for parents on page 2. Here's the link: http://www.todaysparent.com/schoolage/education/article.jsp? content=20041007_110724_7092&page=1 It will be interesting to hear what other forum members have to say on this subject. Sometimes my son will write a letter backwards and he is 7, I don't know if it has anything to do with Autism or do kids his age do this still? When should I be concerned that he might be dyslexic? what do ya think, any similiar probs with your child? Interesting topic. It seems like kids with autism have a real mixed bag and would be hard to diagnose with a learning disability. For example, the "stair step" progress. They seem to be far behind their peers and making no progress one month, then have mastered it the next month. My son had a heck of a time learning to read, but once he finally "got it" his progress has been so quick that he might be almost caught up with his mainstream class. He does read short words backwards sometimes but corrects himself, and his reading comprehension seems fine. In fact, the teacher told me the other day that my son remembered more details from a story than she did. He still puts his shoes on the wrong foot and doesn't even notice, that was mentioned in spectrummum's list. Holly_WA - I liked that website, thanks. One thing that stood out for me in that article was breaking down learning into its four elements: "Learning involves four stages of information processing:
I forgot to mention---my 11yo still can't keep "left and right" correct. She just doesn't know it. She also doesn't know the calendar or days of the week.I didn't read all the responses but I personally did that for a really long time, I think it was the 3rd or 4th grade before I stopped. I would write the 7, the 3, and the letter N backwards all the time. I don't have autism and I am not dyslexic. I'm not sure what it was.
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