scatter between non-verbals and verbal | Autism PDD

I have heard that if a kid tests significantly higher on verbals than non
verbals on IQ tests that it is an indicator foe AS. If a kid test much higher
on non-verbals than verbals it is an indicator of autism.
Well my ds is pdd-nos and he tested within one point for verbal and
non-verbal. Granted it was a not very comprehensive test at all (RIAS) and
I would not bet the house on the scores but they can't be off that much
either.
So, does anyone know - does it mean anything of significance as far as
asd goes if there is no scatter?Well, scatter is one of the hallmarks of an ASD, but your son is a little older and if his language has "caught up" with his language then I'd expect the scores to fall more in line. The disparity on autistic kids has to do with testing into their language delay and the fact that the verbal sections require more social skills and understanding and such. The girls scored 22 and 24 points higher on the non-verbal sections at 4.0.

This is interesting. T's scatter was not that dramatic, either, though.

I imagine like all else it depends on who you ask!

I get an average of between 120 and 140 on verbal IQ tests and anything between less than 90 and less than 70 on the non verbal parts. The truth of the matter is that I don't have a clue how to do the non verbal parts and just guess wildly at them.

Tom has not had an IQ test, but has been tested for his verbal and non verbal cognition. He scored in the first percentile for receptive speech and communicative use of language. He scored in the 30th percentile for general expressive language and in the 90th percentile for nonverbal puzzle solving.

I don't know the answer to that one. My son had pretty big scatter on his cognitive tests at age 5-6. My 5 year old was just given the WPPSI-III and her scores were

verbal: 83
performance: 90
processing speed 78
full scale: 82

I'm not sure how the subtests are looked at, but her scores were between 6-9. I'm guessing this all means she does not have a huge scatter of skills?
kdchaos39319.294375The verbal-higher=AS/performance-higher=autism thing isn't currently accepted as absolute like that, but wide scatter like that can be an indicator of being autistic (of any variety) or having specific learning disabilities. (There are specific patterns of scoring that some people use to differentiate autism from AS, but they're not "verbal vs. performance," they're more complicated than that.)
Scatter also occurs with LD, but not with MR. That is my understanding, tho I'm far from a "scores" expert.

"The verbal-higher=AS/performance-higher=autism thing isn't currently accepted as absolute like that, but wide scatter like that can be an indicator of being autistic (of any variety) or having specific learning disabilities. (There are specific patterns of scoring that some people use to differentiate autism from AS, but they're not "verbal vs. performance," they're more complicated than that.)"

I did not know that, thank you for letting us know that.

Interesting, When the School started my sons evaluations for LD disibilities in the first grade they did a child study. His Verbal Capabilities were 146 High Superior with an arrow pointing up, his Math was Mildly Mentally retarded as were his Language skills. He has Aspergers syndrome with LD. The principal said he was conflicted on weather to proceed with the testing because of the Verbal scores being so high? As I understand, this is what means there is a problem which could be Learning Disabilities, am I right. and could be an indicator for some form of Autism? It takes me awhile to get things, so bear with me, cause this Principal gave my DH and me such a hard time about sons DX when we informed the School of it. Was this study a clue that son needed further testing? It was so scattered the Teacher said she had never seen anything like it before. My understanding that a poor visual and performance to verbal IQ could point towards NVLD (nonverbal Learning disability). And, NVLD can be associated to AS as many AS ppl have NVLD. Kinda like hyperlexia to AS. Both NVLD or hyperlexia can exist on their own as well without ASD.

Also, each IQ test has instructions on how much scatter is acceptable in terms of the validity of the test and how much scatter absolutely invalidates the final score. The best thing to do is ask the tester to explain your child's scores and the subtest scatter and ask how much scatter invalidates the score. Wide scatter is extremely common with ASD, as many of the pp's have pointed out. However, not every educator is all that familiar with ASD.