Asperger’s and speech delay | Autism PDD

The criteria is do they have so many words before age 3...

My dd had like 60 words though she never used them functionally or combined them yet I was told she could fit aspergers because her list of words didnt put her in the delayed speech group but clearly she wasnt verbal to me..she used less than 5 words a day. I also heard in aspergers that some kids with early autism label go on to get aspergers label because they overcome the speech delay and do very well in school and look closer to the aspergers label

..my little cousin (now 12) was very speech delayed under age 7 and now is in gifted classes and just got diagnosed with aspergers?? IT is confusing:) I have read that if you were in room with HFA and aspergers kids you wouldnt be able to tell the difference?

I hope you get a better answer than my shabby one:P

Thanks Shelley,

There is so much i don't know, I've just been exhausted from years of interrupted sleep and days of dealing with meltdowns that I haven't really researched the whole topic of autism, just what I had to deal with right at the moment.

I didn't know there was a difference between HFA and asperger's, I thought they were the same thing!

A lot to learn now that the kids are giving me a little breathing room!

It is my understanding that there cannot be a CLINICAL language delay to qualify for an AS diagnosis.

http://www.psychnet-uk.com/dsm_iv/aspergers_syndrome.htm

According to the following, a language delay involves at least a 1 year lag in development.

Symptoms of language delay

Symptoms of language delay include the following:

failure to meet the developmental milestones for language development
language development that lags behind other children of the same age by at least one year
inability to follow directions
slow or incomprehensible speech after three years of age
serious difficulties with syntax (placing words in a sentence in the correct order)
serious difficulties with articulation, including the substitution, omission, or distortion of certain sounds

http://www.healthline.com/galecontent/language-delay-1/2

I have heard that Aspergers are with normal language onset, no speech delays at all.

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I have heard that Aspergers are with normal language onset, no speech delays at all.

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This is what I was told. The psychologist immediately ruled out the Aspergers because of her language delay.

My understanding was that was what the whole PDDNOS category was for...when nothing else fits.
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Hi,

I tried doing a search for previous discussion but it timed out.

I was told by my speech therapist that a speech delay does not rule out asperger's. She had attended a conference where a well known doctor in regards to asp and asd had said this. That is also the position of the team that dx my dd.

Does anyone have anymore info on this? I've read many links where they say a delay does rule out asp but what my team is saying is based on more current research.

These days it seems to depend on the doctor and his/her opinion and of course their interpretation of the DSM-IV criteria. LOL

Like what shelley said about the amount of words before 3...Well Adam could repeat ANYTHING said before 3...but it wasn't functional. He had some 2 word phrases by 3 (that were functional) also but he had no interest in the environment. When he was diagnosed with Autism I was told that he didn't qualify for and Aspergers diagnosis and never will because of his language delay. When he was re-evaluated recently after he language delay was corrected the Developmental Ped said the same thing...that he will never qualify for an Aspergers diagnosis. To me it doesn't matter....he is the same kid regardless of what they call it...LOL

Shelley...look forward to reading what comes of this appt....and good luck!!

Karrie

The criteria in the DSM-IV TR clearly states that there should be no language delay prior to the age of 3 for a diagnosis of Asperger's. A LOT of docs apparently don't get this. Perhaps this needs to be clarified when they come out with a new edition - especially what QUALFIES as a language delay!

Thanks,

It's becoming clear that I think my ds will be dx hfa...and my dd is pdd-nos with high risk for aspie...I'd say she's an aspie now.

I will also be awating Shelley's appt details. Good luck.

Yep, my kid lives in that grey area too. He had what I call atypical speech development. Lots of words, but limited use of them functionally at the age of 3-4. He had enough language and words at the age of 4, that my pediatrician did not think there was a problem. That being said, I would not say that he had normal speech development. When I finally had him diagnosed at the age of 7, he was diagnosed HFA, in a subcategory called "Active but Odd", a term coined by Dr. Lorna Wing. The diagnosing doctor told me, "He lives in an Asperger's world, but because of his odd speech development I cannot give him an official Asperger's diagnosis. But all of his needs fall in the Asperger's category". Two years later, when I took him back for a re-evaluation for anxiety issues and possible OCD, she simply referred to him as Asperger's. It doesn't really matter that much, but we call it Asperger's for simplicity sake. Much easier to explain, rather than having to cover all the back history of speech issues, etc

WiMom - yes, that is correct. But a lot of docs seem not to get this and while I think it's pretty clear, it apparently isn't because I hear SO many people saying their child has AS when they had clinically signficant language delays. It just depends on the doctor, I guess and what their training/background is...

What you all said makes a LOT of sense

though - I have heard two docs mention this about R and he HAS NO WORDS

not one - no labelling nothing - in fact one of the ABA people who came to my house said that she as met Aspergers adults who have amazing sign language skills but no language at all

Okay, now my dd definately did not have a "clinically significant" delay. I guess we'll wait and see if my ds's delay is significant, he's very hard to pinpoint, he gets a lot more speech therapy than my daughter did but he does have the intonations of speech. If I do something for him he'll go hmm hmm, like thank you. If you say butterfly, he'll go hmhmmhm. His receptive seems more delayed but that's only because he won't answer questions, they no longer think he can't answer or doesn't understand.My ds's language development was about 1 year behind but at age 7 his
language skills are age appropriate. He got pdd-nos instead of AS
because of the delay and because his gross motor skills are okay.
I could see making a case for pdd-nos or AS or HFA for my son, it all kind
of fits. So I guess it does not really matter but I kind of wish it was not
pdd-nos because it does not really roll easy over the tongue when telling
people and noone seems to have heard of it. I usually tell people that he
is on the autism spectrum.

Adam was dx'd as PDD NOS also, but more recently is Aspergers. At first I didn't think he fit in the AS category, but now I think he really does. But as Karen said, I don't think it really matters. The appropriate interventions matter.

Oh and BTW Adam has a very difficult time in school, he is in mostly spec ed classes. This is highly unusual for AS kids also.

AS can be comorbid with motor disorders such as apraxia, deafness, tongue tie etc that can cause a speech delay. But, too simply delay a speech defaults to autism is incorrect. It has to be a disinterest or an inabilityy to "get" verbal communication.

AS kids may speak early because they understand communication differently than autistic disorder children. There may be a cognitve understanding that language is something and useful maybe for controlling their environment and they could engage the world using external methods.

There maybe specific reasons AD's kid fail to understand the significance of communication in the same way and that could stem from their engagement with the world in a opposite way from an internal perspective of control.

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does no speech delay for AS mean nothing at all?. My son was non verbal except for a few words and mostly grunts till 5-6 months ago. Our psychologist saw him a couple weeks ago, after he suddenly started talking a lot. She never saw him in a non verbal state so I guess to her way of thinking he wouldn't have had a delay...

Would this account for her decision to give him the AS label?

aspergers has no significant speech delay

pdd is given when some but not all off the triad of impairments are there

shell

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These days it seems to depend on the doctor and his/her opinion and of course their interpretation of the DSM-IV criteria. LOL

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Thats what my sons developmental pediatrician told me as well that it depends alot on the doctor interpretation of everything.

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My son was non verbal except for a few words and mostly grunts till 5-6 months ago. Our psychologist saw him a couple weeks ago, after he suddenly started talking a lot. She never saw him in a non verbal state so I guess to her way of thinking he wouldn't have had a delay...

Would this account for her decision to give him the AS label?

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I think it is highly irresponsible for a psychologist to give a child an AS label without looking into the child's history.

The only reason there are adult aspie sites out there and not 'high functioning autisic adults' ones because not everyone knows about their language history which is basically the main difference between the two labels given during chldhood anyway. In many cases, a child who could have been given a dx of HFA whn younger gets an AS dx when taken for an eval when he is talking where parents can't decide if there was a significant language delay. Just my opinion.

Mary

no for a dx of aspergers there must be no significant delay in speech talking sentences before three

if she knew he had problems with speech when he was younger then you should get a second opinion he should have been given HFA

the diagnostis criteria states if there are any speech problem then a dx of autism pdd should be given

though children with as do have some degree of problems with etoquette of spech they still speak at the same time has a normal child would

shell

http://groups.msn.com/autismaspergersinthefamily

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Introduction

Asperger Syndrome (AS) is a severe developmental disorder characterized by major difficulties in social interaction, and restricted and unusual patterns of interest and behavior. There are many similarities with autism without mental retardation (or "Higher Functioning Autism"), and the issue of whether Asperger syndrome and Higher Functioning Autism are different conditions is not resolved. To some extent, the answer to this question depends on the way clinicians and researcher make use of this diagnostic concept, since until recently there was no "official" definition of Asperger syndrome. The lack of a consensual definition led to a great deal of confusion as researchers could not interpret other researchers' findings, clinicians felt free to use the label based on their own interpretations or misinterpretations of what Asperger syndrome "really" meant, and parents were often faced with a diagnosis that nobody appeared to understand very well, and worse still, nobody appeared to know what to do about it. School districts ere not aware of the condition, insurance carriers could not reimburse services provided on the basis of this "unofficial" diagnosis, and there was no published information providing parents and clinicians alike with guidelines on the meaning and implications of Asperger syndrome, including what should the diagnostic evaluation consist of and what forms of treatment and interventions were warranted. This situation has changed somewhat since Asperger syndrome was made "official" in DSM-IV (APA, 1994), following a large international field trial involving over a thousand children and adolescents with autism and related disorders (Volkmar et al., 1994). The field trials revealed some evidence justifying the inclusion of Asperger syndrome as a diagnostic category different from autism, under the overarching class of Pervasive Developmental Disorders. More importantly, it established a consensual definition for the disorder which should serve as the frame of reference for all those using the diagnosis. However, the problems are far from over. Despite some new research leads, knowledge on Asperger syndrome is still very limited. For example, we don't really know how common it is, or the male/female ratio, or to what extent there may be genetic links increasing the likelihood of finding similar conditions in family members. Clearly, the work on Asperger syndrome, in regard to scientific research as well as in regard to service provision, is only beginning. Parents are urged to use a great deal of caution and to adopt a critical approach toward information given to them. Ultimately, the diagnostic label - any label, does not summarize a person, and there is a need to consider the individual's strengths and weaknesses, and to provide individualized intervention that will meet those (adequately assessed and monitored) needs. That notwithstanding, we are left with the question of what is the nature of this puzzling social learning disability, how many people does it affect, and what can we do to help those affected by it. The following guidelines summarize some of the information currently available on those questions.

Background

Autism is the most widely recognized pervasive developmental disorder (PDD). Other diagnostic concepts with features somewhat similar to autism have been less intensively studied, and their validity, apart from autism, is more controversial. One of these conditions, termed Asperger syndrome (AS) was originally described by Hans Asperger (1944, see Frith's translation, 1991), who provided an account of a number of cases whose clinical features resembled Kanner's (1943) description of autism (e.g., problems with social interaction and communication, and circumscribed and idiosyncratic patterns of interest). However, Asperger's description differed from Kanner's in that speech was less commonly delayed, motor deficits were more common, the onset appeared to be somewhat later, and all the initial cases occurred only in boys. Asperger also suggested that similar problems could be observed in family members, particularly fathers. This syndrome was essentially unknown in the English literature for many years. An influential review and series of case reports by Lorna Wing (1981) increased interest in the condition, and since then both the usage of the term in clinical practice and number of case reports and research studies have been steadily increasing. The commonly described clinical features of the syndrome include:

a. paucity of empathy;

b. naive, inappropriate, one-sided social interaction, little ability to form friendships and consequent social isolation;

c. pedantic and monotonic speech;

d. poor nonverbal communication;

e. intense absorption in circumscribed topics such as the weather, facts about TV stations, railway tables or maps, which are learned in rote fashion and reflect poor understanding, conveying the impression of eccentricity; and

f. clumsy and ill-coordinated movements and odd posture.

Although Asperger originally reported the condition only in boys, reports of girls with the syndrome have now appeared. Nevertheless, boys are significantly more likely to be affected. Although most children with the condition function in the normal range of intelligence, some have been reported to be mildly retarded. The apparent onset of the condition, or at least its recognition, is probably somewhat later than autism; this may reflect the more preserved language and cognitive abilities. It tends to be highly stable, and the higher intellectual skills observed suggest a better long-term outcome than is typically observed in autism. Related Diagnostic Concepts

Several similar diagnostic concepts originating from adult psychiatry, neuropsychology, neurology, and other disciplines share, to a great degree, the phenomenological aspects of AS. For example, Wolff and colleagues described a group of individuals with an abnormal pattern of behavior characterized by social isolation, rigidity of thought and habits, and an unusual style of communication. This condition was named schizoid personality disorder in childhood. Unfortunately, a developmental account of this concept was not provided, making it difficult to ascertain the extent to which the individuals described may have also exhibited autistic-like symptomatology early on in life. More generally, the understanding of AS as an unchanging personality trait fails to fully appreciate the developmental aspects of the disorder which may

prove to be of great importance for differential diagnosis. In neuropsychology, a great deal of research has been devoted to Rourke's (1989) concept of Nonverbal Learning Disabilities syndrome (NLD). The main contribution of this line of research has been the attempt to delineate the implications for the child's social and emotional development of a unique profile of neuropsychological assets and deficits that appears to have a deleterious impact on the person's capacity for socialization as well as on the person's interactive and communicative styles. The neuropsychological characteristics of individuals with the NLD profile include deficits in tactile perception, psychomotor coordination, visual-spatial organization, nonverbal problem-solving, and appreciation of incongruities and humor. NLD individuals also exhibit well developed rote verbal capacities and verbal memory skills, difficulty in adapting to novel and complex situations, and over reliance on rote behaviors in such situations, relative deficits in mechanical arithmetic as compared to proficiencies in single-word reading, poor pragmatics and prosody in speech, and significant deficits in social perception, social judgment, and social interaction skills. There are marked deficits in the appreciation of subtle and even fairly obvious nonverbal aspects of communication, that often result in other person's social disdain and rejection. As a result, NLD individuals show a marked tendency toward social withdrawal and are at risk for development of serious mood disorders. Many of the clinical features clustered together in NLD have also been described in the neurological literature as a form of Developmental Learning Disability of the Right Hemisphere (Denckla, 1983; Voeller, 1986). Children presenting with this condition have also been shown to exhibit profound disturbances in interpretation and expression of affect and other basic interpersonal skills. Finally, an additional term researched in the literature, semantic-pragmatic disorder (Bishop, 1989), has also captured aspects of NLD and AS. It is currently unclear whether these concepts describe different entities or, more probably, provide different perspectives on a heterogeneous, yet overlapping, group of individuals sharing at least some common aspects. An important goal of current research is to seek a convergence between the various discipline-specific accounts in order to make use of different methodologies in the effort to validate the behaviorally defined concept of AS. However, in order to enhance comparability of studies, it is of great importance to establish consensual and stringent guidelines for the diagnosis of AS, particularly in regard to its similarities with related conditions. Categorical Definition and Clinical Description

As defined in DSM-IV (the most recent Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the American Psychiatric Association, 1994), the tentative criteria for AS follow the same format, and in fact overlap to some degree, the criteria for autism. The required symptomatology is clustered in terms of onset, social and emotional, and "restricted interests" criteria, with the addition of two common but not necessary characteristics involving motor deficits and isolated special skills, respectively. A final criterion involves the necessary exclusion of other conditions, most importantly autism or a sub threshold (or "autistic-like") form of autism (Pervasive Developmental Disorder - Not Otherwise Specified). Interestingly, the DSM-IV definition of AS is offered having autism as its point of reference; hence some of the criteria actually involve the absence of abnormalities in some areas of functioning that are affected in autism. The following table summarizes the DSM-IV definition of AS:

A. Qualitative impairment in social interaction, as manifested by at least two of the following:

1. Marked impairment in the use of multiple nonverbal behaviors such as eye-to-eye gaze, facial expression, body postures, and gestures to regulate social interaction

2. Failure to develop peer relationships appropriate to developmental level

3. A lack of spontaneous seeking to share enjoyment, interests, or achievements with other people

4. Lack of social or emotional reciprocity

B. Restricted repetitive and stereotyped patterns of behavior, interests, and activities, as manifested by at least one of the following:

1. Encompassing preoccupation with one or more stereotyped and restricted patterns of interest that is abnormal either in intensity or focus

2. Apparently inflexible adherence to specific, nonfunctional routines or rituals

3. Stereotyped and repetitive motor mannerisms

4. Persistent preoccupation with parts of objects

C. The disturbance causes clinically significant impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning

D. There is no clinically significant general delay in language (e.g., single words used by age 2 years, communicative phrases used by age 3 years)

E. There is no clinically significant delay in cognitive development or in the development of age-appropriate self-help skills, adaptive behavior (other than in social interaction), and curiosity about the environment in childhood

F. Criteria are not met for another specific Pervasive Developmental Disorder or Schizophrenia.

Onset criteria

In DSM-IV, the individual's history must show "a lack of any clinically significant general delay" in language acquisition, cognitive development and adaptive behavior (other than in social interaction). This contrasts with typical developmental accounts of autistic children who show marked deficits and deviance in these areas prior to the age of 3 years. Although the onset criterion is in agreement with Asperger's account, Wing (1981) noted the presence of deficits in the use of language for communication, if not in more specific language skills, in some of her case studies. It is currently uncertain whether the lack of delays in the prescribed areas is a differential factor between AS and autism or, alternatively, a simple reflection of the higher developmental level associated with the usage of the term AS. Other common descriptions of the early development of individuals with AS include a certain precociousness in learning to talk ("he talked before he could walk"), a fascination with letters

and numbers -- in fact, the young child may even be able to decode words although with little or no understanding ("hyperlexia") -- and the establishment of attachment patterns to family members but inappropriate approaches to peers and other persons, rather than withdrawal or aloofness as in autism (e.g., the child may attempt to initiate contact with other children by hugging them or screaming at them and then puzzle at their responses). Again, these behaviors are not uncommonly described for higher-functioning autistic children as well, albeit much more infrequently. Qualititative Impairments in Reciprocal Social Interaction

Although the social criteria for AS and autism are identical, the former condition usually involves fewer symptoms and has a generally different presentation than does the latter. Individuals with AS are often socially isolated but are not unaware of the presence of others, even though their approaches may be inappropriate and peculiar. For example, they may engage the interlocutor, usually an adult, in one-sided conversation characterized by long-winded, pedantic speech, about a favorite and often unusual and narrow topic. Also, although individuals with AS are often self-described "loners", they often express a great interest in making friendships and meeting people. These wishes are invariably thwarted by their awkward approaches and insensitivity to other person's feelings, intentions, and nonliteral and implied communications (e.g., signs of boredom, haste to leave, and need for privacy). Chronically frustrated by their repeated failures to engage others and make friendships, some of these individuals develop symptoms of depression that may require treatment, including medication. In regard to the emotional aspects of social transactions, individuals with AS may react inappropriately to, or fail to interpret the valence of, the context of the affective interaction, often conveying a sense of insensitivity, formality, or disregard to the other person's emotional expressions. That notwithstanding, they may be able to describe correctly, in a cognitive and often formalistic fashion, other people's emotions, expected intentions and social conventions, but are unable to act upon this knowledge in an intuitive and spontaneous fashion, thus losing the tempo of the interaction. Such poor intuition and lack of spontaneous adaptation are accompanied by marked reliance on formalistic rules of behavior and rigid social conventions. This presentation is largely responsible for the impression of social naivet� and behavioral rigidity that is so forcefully conveyed by these individuals. As with the majority of the behavioral aspects used to describe AS, at least some of these characteristics are also exhibited by individuals with higher-functioning autism, though, again, probably to a lesser extent. More typically, autistic persons are withdrawn and may seem to be unaware of, and disinterested in, other persons. Individuals with AS, on the other hand, are often keen, sometimes painfully so, to relate to others, but lack the skills to successfully engage them. Qualitative Impairments in Communication

In contrast to autism, there are no symptoms in this area of functioning in the definition of AS. Although significant abnormalities of speech are not typical of AS, there are at least three aspects of these individuals' communication skills which are of clinical interest. First, though inflection and intonation may not be as rigid and monotonic as in autism, speech may be marked by poor prosody. For example, there may a constricted range of intonation patterns that is used with little regard to the communicative functioning of the utterance (assertions of fact, humorous remarks, etc.). Second, speech may often be tangential and circumstantial, conveying a sense of looseness

of associations and incoherence. Even though in some cases this symptom may be an indicator of a possible thought disorder, it is often the case that the lack of coherence and reciprocity in speech is a result of the one-sided, egocentric conversational style (e.g., unrelenting monologues about the names, codes, and attributes of innumerable TV stations in the country), failure to provide the background for comments and to clearly demarcate changes in topic, and failure to suppress the vocal output accompanying internal thoughts. The third aspect typifying the communication patterns of individuals with AS concerns the marked verbosity observed, which some authors see as one of the most prominent differential features of the disorder. The child or adult may talk incessantly, usually about their favorite subject, often in complete disregard to whether the listener might be interested, engaged, or attempting to interject a comment, or change the subject of conversation. Despite such long-winded monologues, the individual may never come to a point or conclusion. Attempts by the interlocutor to elaborate on issues of content or logic, or to shift the interchange to related topics, are often unsuccessful. Despite the possibility that all of these symptoms may be accounted for in terms of significant deficits in pragmatics skills and/or lack of insight into, and awareness of, other people's expectations, the challenge remains to understand this phenomenon developmentally as strategies of social adaptation. Restrictive, Repetitive, and Stereotyped Patterns of Behavior, Interests, and Activities

Although in the DSM-IV definition the criteria for AS and autism are identical, requiring the presence of at least one of the symptoms in the list provided (see table above), it appears that the most commonly observed symptom in this cluster refers to an encompassing preoccupation with restricted patterns of interest. In contrast to autism, where other symptoms in this area may be very pronounced, individuals with AS are not commonly reported to exhibit them with the exception of the all-absorbing preoccupation with an unusual and circumscribed topic, about which vast amounts of factual knowledge are acquired and all too readily demonstrated at the first opportunity in social interaction. Although the actual topic may change from time to time (e.g., every year or two years), it may dominate the content of social interchange as well as the activities of individuals with AS, often immersing the whole family in the subject for long periods of time. Even though this symptom may not be easily recognized in childhood (because strong interests in dinosaurs or fashionable fictional characters are so ubiquitous among young children), it may become more salient later on as interests shift to unusual and narrow topics. This behavior is peculiar in the sense that often times extraordinary amounts of factual information are learned about very circumscribed topics (e.g., snakes, names of stars, maps, TV guides, or railway schedules). Motor Clumsiness

In addition to the required criteria specified above, an additional symptom is given as an associated feature though not a required criterion for the diagnosis of AS, namely delayed motor milestones and presence of "motor clumsiness". Individuals with AS may have a history of delayed acquisition of motor skills such as pedaling a bike, catching a ball, opening jars, climbing "monkey-bars", and so on. They are often visibly awkward, exhibiting rigid gait patterns, odd posture, poor manipulative skills, and significant deficits in visual-motor coordination. Although this presentation contrasts with the pattern of motor development in

autistic children, for whom the area of motor skills is often a relative strength, it is similar in some respects to what is observed in older autistic individuals. Nevertheless, the commonality in later life may result from different underlying factors, for example, psychomotor deficits in the case of AS, and poor body image and sense of self in the case of autism. This highlights the importance of describing this symptom in developmental terms. Assessment

AS, like other pervasive developmental disorders (PDDs), involves delays and deviant patterns of behavior in multiple areas of functioning, that often require the input of professionals with different areas of expertise, particularly overall developmental functioning, neuropsychological features, and behavioral status. Hence the clinical assessment of individuals with this disorder is most effectively conducted by an experienced interdisciplinary team. A few principles should be made explicit prior to a discussion of the various areas of assessment. First, given the complexity of the condition, importance of developmental history, and common difficulties in securing adequate services for children and individuals with AS, it is very important that parents are encouraged to observe and participate in the evaluation. This guideline helps to demystify assessment procedures, avails the parents of shared observations that can then be clarified by the clinician, and fosters parental understanding of the child's condition. All of these can then help the parents evaluate the programs of intervention offered in their community. Second, evaluation findings should be translated into a single coherent view of the child: easily understood, detailed, concrete, and realistic recommendations should be provided. When writing their reports, professionals should strive to express the implications of their findings to the patient's day-to-day adaptation, learning, and vocational training. Third, the lack of awareness of many professionals and officials of the disorder, its features, and associated disabilities often necessitates direct and continuous contact on the part of the evaluators with the various professionals securing and implementing the recommended interventions. This is particularly important in the case of AS, as most of these individuals have average levels of Full Scale IQ, and are often not thought of as in need for special programming. Conversely, as AS becomes a more well-known diagnostic label, there is reason to believe that it is becoming a fashionable concept used in an often unwarranted fashion by practitioners who intend to convey only that their client is currently experiencing difficulties in social interaction and in peer relationships. The disorder is meant as a serious and debilitating developmental syndrome impairing the person's capacity for socialization and not a transient or mild condition. Therefore, parents should be briefed about the present unsatisfactory state of knowledge about AS and the common confusions of use and abuse of the disorder currently prevailing in the mental health community. Ample opportunity should be given to clarify misconceptions and establish a consensus about the patient's abilities and disabilities, which should not be simply assumed under the use of the diagnostic label. In the majority of cases, a comprehensive assessment will involve the following components: history, psychological assessment, communication and psychiatric assessments, further consultation if needed, parental conferences, and recommendations.

History

A careful history should be obtained, including information related to pregnancy and neonatal period, early development and characteristics of development, and medical and family history. A review of previous records including previous evaluations should be performed and the information incorporated and results compared in order to obtain a sense of course of development. Additionally, several other specific areas should be directly examined because of their importance in the diagnosis of AS. These include a careful history of onset/recognition of the problems, development of motor skills, language patterns, and areas of special interest (e.g., favorite occupations, unusual skills, collections). Particular emphasis should be placed on social development, including past and present problems in social interaction, patterns of attachment of family members, development of friendships, self-concept, emotional development, and mood presentation. Psychological Assessment

This component aims at establishing the overall level of intellectual functioning, profiles of strengths and weaknesses, and style of learning. The specific areas to be examined and measured include neuropsychological functioning (e.g., motor and psychomotor skills, memory, executive functions, problem-solving, concept formation, visual-perceptual skills), adaptive functioning (degree of self-sufficiency in real-life situations), academic achievement (performance in school-like subjects), and personality assessment (e.g., common preoccupations, compensatory strategies of adaptation, mood presentation). The neuropsychological assessment of individuals with AS involves certain procedures of specific interest to this population. Whether or not a Verbal-Performance IQ discrepancy is obtained in intelligence testing, it is advisable to conduct a fairly comprehensive neuropsychological assessment including measures of motor skills (coordination of the large muscles as well as manipulative skills and visual-motor coordination, visual-perceptual skills) gestalt perception, spatial orientation, parts-whole relationships, visual memory, facial recognition, concept formation (both verbal and nonverbal), and executive functions. A recommended protocol would include the measures used in the assessment of children with Nonverbal Learning Disabilities (Rourke, 1989). Particular attention should be given to demonstrated or potential compensatory strategies: for example, individuals with significant visual-spatial deficits may translate the task or mediate their responses by means of verbal strategies or verbal guidance. Such strategies may be important for educational programming. Communication Assessment

The communication assessment aims to obtain both quantitative and qualitative information regarding the various aspects of the child's communication skills. It should go beyond the testing of speech and formal language (e.g., articulation, vocabulary, sentence construction and comprehension), which are often areas of strength. The assessment should examine nonverbal forms of communication (e.g., gaze, gestures), nonliteral language (e.g., metaphor, irony, absurdities, and humor), prosody of speech (melody, volume, stress and pitch), pragmatics (e.g., turn-taking, sensitivity to cues provided by the interlocutor, adherence to typical rules of conversation), and content, coherence, and contingency of conversation; these areas are typically one of the major difficulties for individuals with AS. Particular attention should be given to

preservation on circumscribed topics and social reciprocity. Psychiatric Examination

The psychiatric examination should include observations of the child during more and less structured periods: for example, while interacting with parents and while engaged in assessment by other members of the evaluation team. Specific areas for observation and inquiry include the patient's patterns of special interest and leisure time, social and affective presentation, quality of attachment to family members, development of peer relationships and friendships, capacities for self-awareness, perspective-taking and level of insight into social and behavioral problems, typical reactions in novel situations, and ability to intuit other person's feelings and infer other person's intentions and beliefs. Problem behaviors that are likely to interfere with remedial programming should be noted (e.g., marked aggression). The patient's ability to understand ambiguous nonliteral communications (particularly teasing and sarcasm) should be examined (as, often, misunderstandings of such communications may elicit aggressive behaviors). Other areas of observation involve the presence of obsessions or compulsions, depression, anxiety and panic attacks, and coherence of thought. Treatment and Intervention

(See also our Treatment and Intervention Guidelines) As in autism, treatment of AS is essentially supportive and symptomatic. Special educational services are sometimes helpful, although there is, as yet, very little reported experience on the effectiveness of specific interventions. Acquisition of basic skills in social interaction as well as in other areas of adaptive functioning should be encouraged. Supportive psychotherapy focused on problems of empathy, social difficulties, and depressive symptoms may be helpful, although it is usually very difficult for individuals with AS to engage in more intensive, insight-oriented psychotherapy. Associated conditions, such as depression, may be effectively treated. Despite the paucity of published information on intervention strategies and issues, a few guidelines may be offered based on informal observations made by experienced clinicians, intervention strategies used with individuals with high-functioning autism, and Rourke's (1989) suggested interventions for individuals with Nonverbal Learning Disabilities syndrome. Securing Services

The authorities who decide on entitlement to services are usually unaware of the extent and significance of the disabilities in AS. Proficient verbal skills, overall IQ usually within the normal range, and a solitary lifestyle often mask outstanding deficiencies observed primarily in novel or otherwise socially demanding situations, thus decreasing the perception of the very salient needs for supportive intervention. Thus, active participation on the part of the clinician, together with parents and possibly an advocate, to forcefully pursue the patient's eligibility for services is needed. It appears that, in the past, many individuals with AS were diagnosed as learning disabled with eccentric features, a nonpsychiatric diagnostic label that is much less effective in securing services.

Learning

Skills, concepts, appropriate procedures, cognitive strategies, and so on, may be more effectively taught in an explicit and rote fashion using a parts-to-whole verbal instruction approach, where the verbal steps are in the correct sequence for the behavior to be effective. Additional guidelines should be derived from the individual's neuropsychological profile of assets and deficits; specific intervention techniques should be similar to those usually employed for many subtypes of learning disabilities, with an effort to circumvent the identified difficulties by means of compensatory strategies, usually of a verbal nature. If significant motor and visual-motor deficits are corroborated during the evaluation, the individual should receive physical and occupational therapies. The latter should not only focus on traditional techniques designed to remediate motor deficits, but should also reflect an effort to integrate these activities with learning of visual-spatial concepts, visual-spatial orientation, and body awareness. Adaptive Functioning

The acquisition of self-sufficiency skills in all areas of functioning should be a priority in any plan of intervention. The tendency of individuals with AS to rely on rigid rules and routines can be used to foster positive habits and enhance the person's quality of life and that of family members. The teaching approach should follow closely the guidelines set above (see Learning), and should be practiced routinely in naturally occurring situations and across different settings in order to maximize generalization of acquired skills. Maladaptive Behaviors

Specific problem-solving strategies, usually following a verbal rule, may be taught for handling the requirements of frequently occurring, troublesome situations (e.g., involving novelty, intense social demands, or frustration). Training is usually necessary for recognizing situations as troublesome and for selecting the best available learned strategy to use in such situations. Social and Communication Skills

These skills are possibly best taught by a communication specialist with an interest in pragmatics in speech. Alternatively, social training groups may be used if there are enough opportunities for individual contact with the instructor and for the practicing of specific skills. Teaching may include the following:

a. Appropriate nonverbal behavior (e.g., the use of gaze for social interaction, monitoring and patterning of inflection of voice). This may involve imitative drills, working with a mirror, and so forth;

b. Verbal decoding of nonverbal behaviors of others;

c. Processing of visual information simultaneously with auditory information (in order to foster integration of competing stimuli and to facilitate the creation of the appropriate social context of the interaction);

d. Social awareness, perspective-taking skills, correct interpretation of ambiguous communications (e.g., nonliteral language) should also be cultivated and practiced.

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wow! information lol

I guess I'll have to call our pschologist then and clarify with her wether she understood that there was a delay. Otherwise I guess it's back on the merry go around and try to find another opinion

oh and I thought we were finally on our way to helping him....

its never ending my friend

lol

grin and bear it lol

the thing is they think we has parents iwll not know anything so tests they know they could do do not get done glad i helped

love shell

if you need me just shout

Don't focus too much on the labels! That being said here we go again:

PDD is the umbrella term for ALL of the types of autism. PDD-NOS is the kind underneath that umbrella for kids who don't quite fit into any of the other types (Asperger's, Rett's classic autism and childhood disintegrative disorder).

Our dev ped said that ds was PDD-NOS, leaning toward HFA and not Asperger's (even though he had no language delay whatsoever). He had a theory that kids with AS did better on verbal tasks than non-verbal and my ds clearly did better on nonverbal tasks than on verbal tasks. At least at that point. Frankly, I think my son does not have AS and I agree with the PDD-NOS diagnosis. He doesn't quite meet the criteria and some days he can pass for NT (NOT today though!)...

This topic makes me crazy--just because so many clinicians are
"interpreting" the DSM or just plain using "asperger's" as an
interchangeable term for mild high-functioning autism.

Hopefully when the new DSM comes out, all of these categories will be
either eliminated completely, or better defined.

As it stands, Asperger's is clearly defined as having a lack of any clinically
significant speech delay. J is ultimately going to get this dx or PDD-NOS,
He was speaking in full sentences and capable of back and forth
conversation by two.

I hope all these categories wil be eliminated. They should just have
Autistic spectrum disorder, ans use modifers to describe presenting
features and severity. It would make it a lot easier for everyone, I think.

the diagnosic criteria for aspergers states no clinical delay in speech and laguage

that is the only differance of the triad

Most clinician do not go 100% by guidelines. Another example: according
to the DSM adhd is not supposed to be a diagnosis given if an autism
spectrum disorder is present. In those cases adhd symptoms are
supposed to be considered part of the asd. Still many docs do give a
combined diagnosis of adhd & asd.

There is wrong dx happening also. We so far have been told bp/adhd/dyslexia /spd but yet Daniel has been in St since age 1 and now still at 11. He had ot until age 10 cause of motor skill problems. I don't see the GM correcting it self since he has some orthapedic issuses also. His iq is in the 70's he tests at also. He has had ait/tomais/vt also. A lot for 11 years old. He has made progress and keeps moveing on. Lots think of asd as the nt kid who rocks and can't care for themself. Some asperger's have ocd also. I believe small se classes are ok cause the child can be helped more there. I just wish mainstream staff were taught how to help all kids since the govt. pushes lre.

and pdd

but the fact remains you can not get a dx of aspergers if speech delay is present

hfa or atypical autis should be given if the person does not fit in with the triad of impairments with the exception of speech for as

The first dev pedi we saw ruled out aspergers because she said aspergers kids where delayed in some areas but not in others or even were ahead in other areas, normally cognitive skills were way ahead of their peers. My boys were equally delayed across the board, so she said no. Plus they did have a classic speech delay.

With regard to the ADHD diagnosing going on - I think some docs try to give as many diagnoses as possible because that often enables more services. In addition, insurances may pay for an ADHD drug if the diagnosis is ADHD, but will not pay for it if a child just has an autism diagnosis (it is considered "off-label" then). So, if a child has medication for ADHD, that is most likely why they have a separate diagnosis - to get meds paid for.

my son had a severe Language delay,across the board at 17 months,thats when he was tested,by the time he got in for speech he was 2.4 he had 5 weeks of treatment and was released as age appropriate ,but that is still a delay?,anyway he was dx'd AS,

But at a resent developmental Pede appointment ,I had told the dr that the School board sees most AS kids as Just quirky ,with some social problems.

My son has alot of sensory Issues, anxiety, stimimg,(Verbal ,physical), meltdowns, Tantrums,ect....

His Dr said at that time he was PDD,(Aspergers type ),Does this mean he is or is not AS?All I know is that the Aspergers dx , does not fit my son as well as HFA or PDD.

I could live without all these Lables

You could just say...It's a lot like Autism....but just not as severe.

Karrie

My son sort of had a speech delay and he's Aspergers. He had many words before age 2... probably 100 or so... and was combining them together right at 2. He used his language functionally without a problem at that age. BUT there were still some peculiarities in his language use and structure. For example he mixed up prounouns for a while. He tested on the low end of average with his first speech eval because of this. By the time he was 3 his speech was age appropriate with normal structure and flow. Now at 4.5 years of age he tests at an 8 year old level verbally. [QUOTE=micki]My ds's language development was about 1 year behind but at age 7 his
language skills are age appropriate. He got pdd-nos instead of AS
because of the delay and because his gross motor skills are okay.
I could see making a case for pdd-nos or AS or HFA for my son, it all kind
of fits. So I guess it does not really matter but I kind of wish it was not
pdd-nos because it does not really roll easy over the tongue when telling
people and noone seems to have heard of it. I usually tell people that he
is on the autism spectrum.[/QUOTE]

I was actually wondering how people with a child who is PDDNOS explain it. I tried to use the PDDNOS the other day and when I could tell she was not following me I just had to break down the issues that were relevant to why i was telling her this: won't do good crowded up and has weak motor skills for her age.

I guess it's probably easier to say autism? The only issue I have had with that is that most people I know only think of classic autism so when I say autism I don't think they believe me. I guess I could say mild autism?

well this is an interesting topic!

My son was just recently diagnosed as Aspie and in the last 5 months he has started talking a lot more but before that he was basically non verbal. Does all this talk of NO speech delays before 3 mean that our psychologist could have it wrong? Is he perhaps PDD-NOS? I think I'll be ringing her today to clarify

My son spoke great when young!! We never new anything was wrong. When he was eval'd at 3.5y----they found he had receptive/expressive language disorder. Not "speech" delay. It was all language based. Maybe some artic probs---but he's only 7.5y right now and those aren't "delayed" until 8y or so. He is even almost done with private speech. He needs to work on social language in a group more than private--one on one.

Waht confuses me is that I know alot of kids who get the PDD-NOS dx and they are really delayed in some of those areas. I always wonder why they didn't get HFA dx over PDD-NOS? Maybe it depends on the doc.

I picture aspergers being much like my nephew. He is intellegent. (gifted actually... i realize that not everyone with aspergers is gifted) He never had any form of speech or language delay. He developed typically in that area. We always used to call him "little proffesser" Because he was so interested in any form of learning and he seemed to obsess over certain things he did learn. He has problems socially although he always has had a couple of "friends" (that were just like him by the way...lol) Major sensory issues. He stims. Grimicing..posturing...Self centered etc etc etc. But absolutely no language delay AT ALL. No speech therapy or anything because he was completely on target. IF you met him and you didn't have children on the spectrum...you might just think he's a nerd..lol After a while of talking to him you would think his pattern of speech or the way he moves his lips is a bit odd but other than that you wouldn't be able to tell. He's very rule oriented or law abiding. He judges others and places them in society....(a lot of them underneath him because of his intellect).

BTW...He has not been officially diagnosed...just like a lot of aspies he didn't look so odd until late elementary or early middle school. He works around his sensory issues...he does extremely well in school (doing high school credits since middle school) , and he has a couple of friends so my sister is letting it be. She says that if he has problems in college with anxiety or whatever he can choose then to get medicated but for now it's not needed. She realizes now that he is probably high functioning aspergers and he truly makes all criteria.

Karrie

I just found a great website with the description and comparision of AS and Autism.

http://www.med.yale.edu/chldstdy/autism/asdiagnosis.html

Great site, alittle long to read but I will do it after kids are in bed. i did notice the "clinically significant" defintion of speech delay.

i'm just trying to figure this out as I have 2 kids with completely different speech delays but maybe the same dx.

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Well, we got the HFA dx instead of AS because of the language delay. I Asked about why not AS---and he told me because of the language delay. I guess my next question should be----why not PDD-NOS instead of HFA-------he does meet the criteria-----but he is so mild---I don't consider him "autistic" by any means.

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I know for my dd that the reason she didn't get a HFA dx was because area C was not present and the criteria states that for autism there must be at least 1 in each category. So, i can see how that can happen. You could have a child who has 2 from each area (total of 6) who is considered HFA and a child who is PDDNOS who also has 6 but they are PDDNOS because all 3 areas are not present. My understanding is that PDDNOS is atypical autism or autistic-like because all 3 categories are not represented. I have had people tell me it is autism and people tell me it is not exactly autism, but I think you probably generally treat HFA the same as a HF PDDNOS so I guess the label doesn't really matter.

I'm probably talking circles. Whenever you have something that is "not otherwise specified" you are bound to have problems.

kdchaos39307.7530902778So, your kids have no stimming behaviors? Is that what that #3 means also? Our psych said that dd is defenitely dx as autism mild to mod at this
point. She feels that w/ her cognitive abilities & splinter skills, she may
end up either deemed austistic savant or asperger's. It depends on some
of her adaptive skills abilities (which at this point are very delayed,
leaning away from AS), her language (oral motor apraxia, and some other
speech/oral issues could possibly point away from AS, or simply be a
comorbid condition), and further development of deep interests (she has
a few, but not to where she is only speaking about or looking for a certain
item/theme). Not sure if that helps anyone...but that's what we were told.
Our doc also said she doesn't feel someone moves up the spectrum, but
rather gets a dx at a young age based on what is known at that time. As
the person gets older, perhaps develo