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 hi i am shell mum of six four on the spectrum

there is no age limit on as or bipolar

im sure you know about AS so here is a bit on bipolar

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Bipolar affective disorder is sometimes called manic depression or bipolar illness. In this condition you have periods where your mood ('affect') is in one extreme or another.

The length of time you spend in each extreme can vary. It is usually for several weeks at a time or longer. Bipolar affective disorder is very different from the mood swings that moody people have which last minutes or hours.

You can have any number of episodes of highs and lows throughout your life. In between episodes of highs or lows there may be gaps of weeks, months or years when your mood is normal. However, some people swing from highs to lows quite quickly without a period of normal mood in between. This is called 'rapid cycling'. (If you have the rapid cycling form of the illness you have at least four mood swings per year.)

Who gets bipolar affective disorder?

About 1 in 100 people develop this condition at some stage in life. It can occur at any age, but most commonly first develops between the ages of 18 and 24. It occurs in the same number of men as women. The rapid cycling form of the illness occurs in about 1 in 6 cases.

(Note: mania or hypomania occur in only a small number of people who develop depression. It is much more common to just have depression without episodes of mania or hypomania.)

What causes bipolar affective disorder?

The cause is not known. Your genetic makeup seems to play a part as your chance of developing this condition is higher than average if other members of your family are affected. Stressful situations may trigger an episode of mania or depression in people prone to this condition. However, stress is not the underlying cause.

What are the symptoms of mania and hypomania?

Mania causes an abnormally 'high' or irritable mood which lasts at least one week - but usually lasts much longer than this. It can develop quite quickly - over a few days or so. When you are 'high' you will usually have at least 3 or 4 of the following:

Severe mania may also cause 'psychotic' symptoms where you lose touch with reality. For example, you may hear voices which are not real (hallucinations), or have false beliefs (delusions). These tend to be delusions of importance (such as believing that you are a famous celebrity).

Usually, you do not realise that you have a problem when you are high. But, as the the illness develops, to others your behaviour can be bizarre. Family and friends tend to be the ones who realise that there is a problem. But, if someone tries to point out that you are behaving oddly, you tend to become irritated as you can feel really good.

If mania is not treated, the bizarre and uninhibited behaviour may cause great damage to your relationships, job, career, and finances. When you recover from an episode of mania you often regret many of the things that you did when you were high.

Hypomania is the term used when you are high, but the symptoms are less severe or extreme as in true mania. You may function quite well if you have hypomania. For example, you may just appear to be full of energy, the 'life and soul' of the party, work too much, but find it difficult to 'switch off' and relax. However, you are still at risk of making rash and dangerous decisions. Family and friends will recognise that you are not your normal self.

What are the symptoms of depression?

The word depressed is a common everyday word. People might say "I'm depressed" when in fact they mean "I'm fed up because I've had a row, or failed an exam, or lost my job" etc. These ups and downs of life are common and normal.

With true depression, you have low mood and other symptoms each day for at least two weeks. Symptoms also become severe enough to interfere with day-to-day functions. The following is a list of common symptoms of depression. You may not have them all, but you usually develop several if you have depression.

Some people do not realise when they develop depression. They may know that they are not right and are not functioning well, but don't know why. Some people think that they have a physical illness, for example, if they lose weight.

What is the usual pattern and outcome of the condition?

Bipolar affective disorder is a lifelong condition. There is no usual pattern. Every case is different. Some general points include the following.

Without treatment:

So, some people have more frequent and severe episodes than others. Because of the nature of the condition, your chance of holding down a job is less than average. Relationships can be strained. Also, you have an increased risk of suicide if depression becomes severe, and an increased risk of death from risky adventures during an episode of mania. The outlook is worse if you take street drugs or drink a lot of alcohol.

With treatment:

The course, pattern and outlook of the condition can be improved. However, there is no once and for all 'cure'.

What is the treatment for bipolar affective disorder?

Treatments include:

Lithium
Lithium is the most commonly used medication in the UK for bipolar affective disorder. It comes as a tablet and has been used for many years. However, it is not clear how it works. It is used to treat episodes of mania, hypomania and depression. It is also taken by many people long-term as a 'mood stabiliser' to prevent episodes. Lithium often works well, but does not work in all cases. It tends to prevent episode of mania better than episodes of depression.

One problem with lithium is that the dose for an individual has to be 'just right'. Too low a dose has little effect. Too high a dose, and side-effects can be a problem. So, if you take lithium, you need to have blood tests from time to time to check the dose is just right for you.

Another leaflet called 'Lithium for Bipolar Affective Disorder' gives more details.

Anticonvulsant medicines
Sodium valproate, carbamazepine, and lamotrigine are also used to treat episodes of mania. They are also used long-term as 'mood stabilisers'. (Anticonvulsant medicines are commonly used to treat epilepsy but have been found to be work in bipolar affective disorder too. However, it is not clear how they work in this condition.) Sometimes one of these medicines is used alone. Some people take an anticonvulsant in addition to lithium if lithium alone does not work so well.

Antipsychotic medicines
One of these may be used to treat an episode of mania or hypomania. Another name for these is 'major tranquillisers'. They include chlorpromazine, haloperidol, risperidone and sulpiride - but there are others. Some are more 'sedating' than others. Once one of these medicines is started, the symptoms of mania often settle within a week or so. These medicines are usually stopped once the symptoms have gone. They are not usually used as long-term 'mood stabilisers'.

Treating episodes of depression
The treatment of depression in people with bipolar affective disorder is similar to that for people who develop depression without episodes of mania.

Compulsory treatment
When you have an episode of mania or hypomania, usually you do not realise that you are ill. It is sometimes necessary to give treatment against your will if you have symptoms which are putting you, or other people, at risk of harm. A short admission to hospital is sometimes needed.

Other treatments and new developments
Research continues to try and find better 'mood stabiliser' medicines. New non-drug treatments such as transcranial magnetic stimulation and vagal nerve stimulation are being studied. Also, there is a large trial currently underway to find out which is the best mood stabiliser - lithium or the anticonvulsant sodium valproate. See www.psychiatry.ox.ac.uk/balance/ for details.

What can I do to help?

Kids bp is way different than adults. Amino acids can help also nightly at bed time. EPR also helps out. This can effect attention also. The way you no is when adhd meds.  make the kid worse. All drugs and even natural can cause sideeffects. I met a d.o. who is diary protein allergic and it causes him to have mood changes/irrability he told me/son. He drinks soy milk!Thyroid problems also effects moods! I know I have no thyroid fubction and it was low before. I have to take Armour daily for this. I would be very leery of any Dr. trying to label my young child as BP. 

[QUOTE= The way you no is when adhd meds.  make the kid worse. All drugs and even natural can cause sideeffects. I met a d.o. who is diary protein allergic and it causes him to have mood changes/irrability he told me/son. He drinks soy milk![/QUOTE]

 

ADHD meds making a kid worse does not make that child BP.  My son had a bad response to adderall and he is not  BP.  Kid on the spectrum can react differently to meds.

Bp kids respond different also with meds aswell. I know there is wrong dx also happening I am just saying what the np told me. Bp/adhd can also be together. My issue with dr.'s are they guessing now days. Many things cause attention problems. Bp is a chemical inbalance/mental illness and yes kids can have it it's different in them. Kid should not be dx as bipolar according to med response.  I would thing BP in kids would be really rare.

My oldest son is bipolar.  I thought for a long time that he was Asperger's or HFA, but there is absolutely no doubt about it.....he's bipolar!!  He is also dx'd Nonverbal learning disorder.  He is cycling right now as a matter of fact and we are all miserable

Make sure that you are having your son evaluated by someone who is knowledgeable not only with autism spectrum disorders, but also with pediatric bipolar disorders and other pediatric neurological disorders.  The incorrect treatment of a child with bipolar (or no treatment at all such as in the case of a misdiagnosis), just as with autism, can be devastating in terms of worsening the course of the illness and the outcome for the child.

I agree with zayzer, I am glad to hear you are seeking a second opinion. I have read the Bipolar Child and there is a lot of similarities to Asperger's.  Remember if it does not seem to fit your son, keep seeking  and ask a lot of questions. If it does fit, there is so much more help than a few years ago.  Good luck with the eeg and let us know how it goes. IF you have the time read as much as you can on Bipolar in children and  Asperger's, before your next appt. I have heard of many kiddos being Dx with Bipolar that find out later they are actually Aspies.  How old is he? It seems if he is young AS would be more likely than BP.  ok the dr doesnt seem to think ds is aspbergers.  we do have an appt on the 22 to see the "expert"  in autism in this area.  and dd has a video eeg comming up..  not fun!
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