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Now wait a minute, didn't pharmaceutical companies volunatarilly remove Thermosil from vaccinations in something like 1996???? I KNOW I have read that somewhere, not once but several times and many different sources. Now it could be in flu vaccinations which is why I choose not to have flu vaccinations. I never had them as a child so I forgo that one because I don't think they are really all that necessary, but that part of the article seems extremely misleading to me. If the argument is to make it law instead of voluntary then they should say that. But it is my understanding that Thermosil hasn't been in vacines in 10 years, which was one of the arguments against Thermosil causing autism, if that was the case the number of those diagnosed should be going down, not up.You are right...they have not been in regular vaccines voluntarily, but I think people are trying to make it a law - because they ARE in flu shots and rhogam shots - yea, I'm A negative so I got jabbed with that while preggers and the flu shot b/c they didn't want me to get sick!

Linda, thimerosal was still in routinely administered vaccines in 1996. It was, however, mostly gone by 2001 - except for trace amounts that are leftover from the manufacturing process in some vaccines, and the flu vaccine, and maybe one or two others (the ones that still contain it are none of the mandatory ones recommended for infants, from what I gather).

The flu vaccine still contains thimerosal, but there are thimerosal free versions, too, though the supply for the latter is low (though expected to catch up with demand in the coming years).

So, yes, there are very misleading statements and false innuendo in the press release, which is what drives me nuts. I'm not against the notion - if people want to believe in it, study it, that's fine. What people choose to believe is none of my business.

I do, however, object to the dissmenition of misinformation and intentionally misleading statements to parents who already have enough guilt and enought things to worry about. I would object to the same sort of disinformation if it were coming from the medical establishment, as well (if it were posted here) - it just seems that most of this blatant propoganda is coming from these sorts of 'cure' groups, which is troubling to me. Present me with objective facts so that I can come to a reasoned conclusion rather than trying to 'convince' me with this sort of emotionally charged and misleading rhetoric.

We all want to know the truth, but it's not a good thing to intentionally mislead people with PR and spin.

fred39294.5329398148Thanks for clearing that up Fred. Saves me from having to go back and trying to find that again. I never got the flu shot while pregnant with the boys, I did get it with my daughter though. Actually that was the first and last time I have ever had it. Kind of interesting how that turned out.

I already called my Congresswoman and spoke with her assistant then got a letter back in the mail today basically saying that she disagrees with the president on this.

The government recommended the voluntary withdrawal of thimerosol from vaccines in 1999, I believe. The pharmaceutical companies were allowed to use up their stock piles, so that there were vaccines with thimerosol for the next few years. Most flu shots contains thimerosol, but a smaller number of shots are made without it. If you immunize your child against the flu, request the thimerosol-free flu shot.

hmmm, indeed, i beleive it was Esenhower who cautioned americans in the 1950's regarding to a military-industrial complex. The president sees the economy as a kinda trickle down theory system, by pumping plenty of money into a pretty much lost war on terrorrism (my beleife at this point, so ive seen) and building new weapons to fight and perhapse turn the war around, somehow, average americans will benifit with more jobs...

anyways, thats all fine and good, but seems this kind of investment is top priority, as stated previously education, science (non-weapons producing science), prevention of disease and better understanding of disorders sit at a distant second, perhapse even farther back, very shaimful. Im tryin not to be political, and had to go back a few times to fix some stuff, but ya, basicly just another way for us average joes (and janes) getting the bad end of the deal, sure we could invest in our childrens future (the gov't) but we r too buissy being bogged down in an unpopular/unwinnable war. Sure by investing in the future today (education, theripy, awairness) we could see a better tomorrow, but this admin is to near sited, and only sees the world in present terms, they dont understand oil will probably be obsolete in another half century (had they made the investment in our children today maby it can be sooner).And why does this surprise you? I'd expect nothing less from our President.He's pretty much over so I don't think he is going to do much of anything. We need to make sure that we elect someone that will actually do something for our cause into office. hmmm, ya, hahaha, we should not expect much from him huh? Ever watch Jon Steward, the daily show, seems, and Bush actually admitted it, that he was not alot of things, a lawer, dr, general, middle east expert, but he supposedly surrounds himself with advisors who know what they r doing, just 1 problem, apparently he only wants advisors who are loyal, and dont nessissarily have to understand what it is they are advising him about, so long as they come to the same conclusions.

Abraham Lincoln surrounded himself with ppl who had very different views from him, he did this on perpose, so that he had other things to consider, otherwise u get a bunch of yes men, the result, a war on terror that went from being largly supported to going to absolute failure, taking our national pride down with it (and hopefully no more in the future, as the results of this lost war im sure will be felt for generations).

heh, i wonder if he has ever consulted autism specalists, i doubt it, chances are when he decided against making better vacceens he was probably talking to one of his buddies in the thermometer buisness, aiding special interests... its how things work unfortunatly.I am not surprised at all. Pharmeceuticals and governnment hold the power in this country and the greed goes both ways!

PS - I'm as anti-BushCo as the next guy - always have been, even when he was popular.

fred39293.3638194444hmmm, the mind boggles....

Of course they're not going to remove mercury preservatives from vaccines...that would cost MONEY. The single-dose vials free of thimerosal cost significantly more than the multidose ones. When it comes to politicians/presidents, I don't trust any of them. I'm not biased against either side and do not support "Democrats" or "Republicans". It's an illusion. They will promise the moon and stars to get your vote, and then follow their own agendas (like spending our tax dollars on trillion-dollar war weapons instead of health care, education, etc) like the public doesn't exist. "We The People" are steadily becoming "We The Sheep". Their only motivation and ambition is to gain money and world power, period. But that's just how I see it. There are plenty of folks who worship "the man" and are too naive to see things for what they really are. Whether or not mercury causes autism, it's still a potent neurotoxin known for causing disease in the human body and brain. Common sense should tell us not to shoot it into the veins of anyone, especially babies and children who have no say in the matter.

Since receiving multiple flu shots between the years of 1995-2002, I've experienced chronic fatigue, extreme obsessive thoughts, swollen/painful joints, and disabling allergies to many foods and especially to molds. I've always had the tendency toward autistic behavior, but since the age of 12 when I received my first flu shot, I've become PHYSICALLY ill as well as mentally troubled. My energy levels were amazing as a child, now I'm too tired to go for a leisurely walk on most days. I was allowed into kindergarten without receiving any vaccinations, thank God, or who knows what shape I'd be in today?

Sorry so long, but this is an issue that's dear to me. Take care.

Tracii39292.9263425926 [QUOTE=dianet976]

According to the Congressional Quarterly, the White House stated on Tuesday that President Bush would veto the HHS-Labor-Education Appropriations Bill because of the cost and "objectionable provisions" such as a measure to ban the use of childhood flu vaccines that contain thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative.

Autism advocacy groups are outraged because President Bush stated in a questionnaire during his 2004 campaign: "I support the removal of Thimerosal from vaccines on the childhood national vaccine schedule. During a second term as President, I will continue to support increased funding to support a wide variety of research initiatives aimed at seeking definitive causes and/or triggers of autism. It is important to note that while there are many possible theories about causes or triggers of autism, no one material has been definitely included or excluded."

But since 2005, President Bush has steadfastly refused to issue an Executive Order banning high amounts of mercury in vaccines that would protect children and pregnant women despite repeated requests from the autism community that he uphold his campaign promise. Under his current administration, mercury has been and will continue to be knowingly injected into the youngest of American citizens. The controversial mercury-containing preservative thimerosal has been linked by thousands of parents as being the cause of their children's mercury poisoning and autism.

The flu vaccine which continues to be manufactured with mercury is recommended for all pregnant women, infants and children despite the fact that the Institute of Medicine in 2001 recommended against the policy of exposing these same sensitive groups to thimerosal containing vaccines. According to the EPA, one in every six women of childbearing age already has blood levels of mercury high enough to cause neurological damage to their unborn children due to environmental exposures alone. "Injecting even more mercury into the bodies of pregnant women, infants and children when it is not a necessary component of vaccines is just bad medicine," said Lyn Redwood, president of SafeMinds and parent of a mercury-injured child. "It defies logic that a flu vaccine must be disposed of as a hazardous waste if it is not used, but somehow injecting the same mercury-containing vaccine into a baby is safe." [/QUOTE]Good point, Fred. What else was in this bill? I'm not sure, but I wouldn't
automatically assume the only thing in it was taking mercury out...it could
have been loaded w/ other unnecessary spending. Politicians see a bill &
try to sneak every little thing they can into it...sometimes the really good
stuff gets overlooked or shot down because of this. Like Fred said, also,
who is this press release coming from and how biased is it? What's that
saying...believe 1/2 of what you read & see? There's always a slant in one
direction or another, one special interest group or another. Our governor
in TX almost didn't sign a recent Autism bill due to a lobbying group. I
know a few lobbyists...and trust me, that's all the government (dems,
repubs, all of them) is about. What lobbyist is doing what for whom, and
what he/she wants. Big business owns government, and I don't trust any
politicians (except one, who delivered my first dd a few months before he
went into office! LOL!).

And, I'd also second what snoopywoman said...let's not start bashing
anyone here. You can state, if you like, who you are for or not...but easy
on the bashing. That's not what this is about--argue/debate the issue.
Once you start badmouthing & accusing the Pres or whoever else...you
lose sight of what you're fighting for in the first place. Plus, I wouldn't
hold my breath about whoever gets into office next, and them actually
doing anything terribly significant. Um, have you noticed the most $$ for
autism has gone into research...genes etc. Let me guess--some big
pharma companies involved there? Where is the money going to? NOT to
our kids & their future!!! How about some programs for vocational
training, life-skills, adult supports, etc.?

I'm not happy about this and I have written e-mails about it.

However, I just wanted to caution people about not getting too political on the board - everyone has different viewpoints and we need to be respectful. Not saying that this new poster wasn't - but just a cautionary statement...

Here's a summary of the 2008 Labor, Health and Human Services and Education Appropriations as adopted by the House of Representatives.

http://appropriations.house.gov/pdf/LHHSSummaryHP.pdf

I have not read all the posts -- but did you guys read the rider in the Patriot Act? Basically, all vaccine claims have to go through the vaccine court and not civil courts. I thought that was just plain sneaky!!!!