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sallys I understand exactly how you feel after Nick was evaluated and dx'd with autism I was as mad as H*LL. But I wanted to learn all that there was to learn and what I needed to do to help him, the first book I read was Overcoming Autism, after I read the book I was so unhappy thinking there is no way I can be this strong and noway I am ever gonna find anyone to help me and my son the way the mother in the book helped her son, but ..... I agree with cherylann I am lucky... now Nick is far from being cured but with the help of a great private school that I am so fortunate to have near me and our school district is paying the tuition for him to go and with the ABA he has in 6 months come along way he is doing things that would have taken me years to teach him at home and things that they don't teach in regular preschool, like brushing teeth and making your own bowl of cereal, also how to deal with things on your own like buttoning your pants and wiping your nose all of the little things that NT kids can do with out even thinking about it, all of the skills he needs to beable to cope and deal in regular ed. He has really surprised me and my whole family.....by no  means do I think he is cured but it gives me alot of hope that he can do it and he will beable to cope with life as he gets older. I had to put all of the books away for a while and stop talking about autism for a while because it seemed like it was consuming my life and my time for my other children....I was so busy trying to get everyone else to understand what autism is and why Nick had been acting the way he was for so long,that I stopped being what he needs the most ......his mommy, today when he got off the bus we went outside and flew his kite and when his dad got home from work we went to Friendlys and he sat the whole time like a little man and ate his grilled cheese and fries and then his cone head sundae wiping his own mouth with his napkin without me having to tell him to. I looked across the table at him and thought this is the little boy I have been waiting for, and he is gonna be ok. Just my thoughts and opinions.. but sallys don't ever feel that it is impossible because it is not.

                                           Nita

Sallys,

I hear ya!!  Especially with the part you said about "all children do things like that" etc.  Yes...All children DO have thier own little quirks but a NT child does not have them to the degree or amount of quirks as my son does..LOL  When people say things like this i call that ignorance.  My family which is very large (but lives far away) is filled with ignorance.  This is probably a really big reason that I don't talk to them really.  I keep in contact with one of my sisters that is quite educated on autism and she STILL doesn't fully understand the way that I do about my son.  That is because she is not his mother.  Her daughter has a Speech impairment that is not even noticable now but she does often compare my son to the way her daughter was. There are some simularities there but my son has SO MUCH MORE going on with him other than just his speech delay.  For instance....if you ask my son a question that you know he can answer...sometimes he won't answer it.  This I blame on the fact that he has a lack of pleasing others which is a SOCIAL thing and has nothing to do with speech.  These social problems make his language delay seem so much worse I think.  As far as a "cure"...LOL  tell that to the thousands of parents who HAVE spent thousands of dollars on every imaginable therapy to include ABA, chelaton, etc and still have children that are not "CURED".  I do agree with you and everyone else here that with therapies some of our children have the potential to  be able to not meet critera for the spectrum later in life...Or go unnoticed to the untrained eye and for that reason...I believe no one should give up on that goal or dream. 

Karrie

Sally,

I can tell you from my own experience that recovery is possible. I have two with Autism. My ds is 13 and still very much on the spectrum. My dd is 6 and now no longer meets the criteria for Autism. She still has some social issues and will always have them but she cares about people. Her language is normal if a little advanced for her age and she is the sweetest child there is.

I read "Let me hear your Voice" and for me it gave me hope. It helped me not to give up because when my ds was dx most books said he had no future. But I didn't mange to do the amount of therapy that they said he needed and he didn't "recover". But he did learn to talk and manage much better than he would of if I hadn't tried for recovery. My dd was so much milder than him to start and for her the result was so much better.

Knowing that this is possible for some, and I do stress some, because even Lovaas couldn't predict who was going to do well, is a huge pressure on us. I know of families who did all the hours and didn't get the results I have been blessed to have. I didn't do it any better, in fact I was really slack on many occasions. I was just lucky.

It is so hard doing this without the support that we would get if our child had a life threatening illness say is almost impossible for many to manage.

I also know of many families in Perth who have had similar results. I have met their children at dx and then after therapy and the results are truly miraculous.

I remember the senior therapist once saying in a seminar that for those that don't progress as well as we like (they hate the term recovery too) they still progress more than if we hadn't intervened using ABA techniques. I know that if we hadn't done this my children wouldn't have done as well. I have seen it work for others.

But I do understand about the cost and stress involved and I would never tell anyone they had to do it this way. I also know of children who have done well using other techniques. But the miracle diet etc I have never seen that happen.

Nothing replaces good teaching, loving interaction and in my case pure cussedness. I just refused to let my son settle for less than his best, whatever that was.

And Sally we are not all on the spectrum. People who say that are minimising the realities of Autism. Don't listen to them. Besides my psych said I'm normal at least LOL.


Sally, I am with you. While Benjami has made amazing strides in the last 3.5 years, a kink in the environment/system/routine sends him literally spinning again. this in a kid with a gifted IQ. I, too, get annoyed with people that dismiss my son's complex needs with trite phrases. I am learning to be very much 'over' those people. I have purposed not to give these uniformed people that much of my emotional resources. It's not like I have that much to spare. I've learned to surround myself with a support  network of unexpected faces of love and grace. I pray that you will begin to find the same showing up in your life. They speak life to you and yours. They encourage and are   nonjudgemental. They keep their 'expertise' to themselves and give their hugs and time freely. Best of all God's love to you. JanetI agree with you all! It is so frustrating, and I feel like it not only belittles what our kids go through, it belittles what we do for our kids too! My favorite comment, that I've gotten several times is, "Oh, autism is the new ADHD." What does THAT mean? I know what these people are trying to say, but sheesh! I get really upset!

And I know what you mean about the books where the parents "cured" their kids. I was only 22 when we figured out what was going on with my boys, and I thought, "I am going to be one of those moms. I am going to cure my kids!"  I was young and naive, and I had no idea what I was actually dealing with. This is not to say those moms are wrong, I have no idea. But I have to constantly convince my family, friends, etc, that this isn't just going to go away, and they will not outgrow it. (Why, oh WHY do people insist they will outgrow it?)

Yes, people are ignorant. And it isn't their fault. They just don't know, because they don't have a little one with ASD. And so they don't spend hours doing research like we do.

Ok, I had to vent a little too...  Now I must go study.
Sallys,
I agree with you and also the other people who posted.  I don't think a "cure" is possible, but I do believe that some kids on the spectrum can make huge amounts of progress.  I HAVE to believe that in order to carry on day to day.  I don't know if I could handle this if I thought that Luke would be just as he is now when he's a teenager.  We are struggling to figure out how we can get him ABA training (be/c there are no clinics in this area) and we have started diet intervention ... not specifically be/c of his PDD, but be/c he was dx'd with numerous food allergies by a doctor.  I can only hope that getting his allergies under control will help his symptoms at least a little.  He has not eaten any dairy, soy, eggs, or yeast for 2 days now.  Any change?  Well, he has started singing "Row, row, row your boat ..." and he hums about 5 different children's tunes.  Is it something that will remain??  I have NO idea.  If he's still singing "Row your boat" (and adding more words to it) in a couple of weeks, then I just may be a HUGE believer in diet intervention.

Anyway, it's tough to hear people minimizing what your dd has ... believe me, I know.  Seems all my friends think that I need to hear "Luke will be fine -- you'll see!  He'll 'grow out of it.'"  GRRRR!  Now I just take it that they're trying to say something positive be/c, frankly, they don't know what to say.  I can't blame them ... I wouldn't know what to say if it were someone else's child instead.

Good luck with everything.
Kellie

Hi-

Just throwing in here too. Jessi is pretty complex as most of her problems are a mix of her genetic disease and the autism. So she can have a period where she does great and people say "She doesn't act autistic". What does that mean?

Or, "All kids throw tantrums". I LOVE THAT ONE. Yes, all kids throw tantrums and GET OVER IT. They don't sit and scream and be fussy all the rest of the day, so much so that you can't even touch the kid without her screaming and having a fit.  Yes, all kids may hit, but do they make themselves bleed and smear it all overthemselves and not care? Do they touch the hot stove and have no reaction to it, but yet if someone touches them they scream?

It's really hard some days not to listen to "those people" but I'm learning. They just have no idea. I hear all this talk about  "cure" too, and I wonder. I think ahead a few years, with as awesome as Jessi is doing and think there is NO way that she is going to be "indistinguisible from her peers". She's just different, and that's ok. I think you can teach them to function in society if you're lucky, but I agree that "Won't it always be there"? Like another here said, the child may be fine until one thing happens, and BAM they lose it.

Sorry about the vent, but you sure made me remember some dumb comments I've heard in the last year as well.

Sarah

I have had several different people declare to me that autism (assuming they mean all the spectrum disorders) is "curable" either through diet or behavior therapy or some combination miracle. Then there are all those books that propose that ASD is curable because they are written by those moms who were "brave enough" and "loved their child enough" and pursued the "right" therapies to "bring them back".

It makes me wonder (and quite honestly, angry). I thought ASD was a neurological disorder that has lifelong implications, so that even if someone learns to function well in society they are still on the spectrum. If there is a "cure", I don't see how it could possibly work for every kid or else there wouldn't be ASD anymore. We'd have CURED it, right.

It also bothers me when people tell me "we're all on the spectrum", "all kids do those things" or that children today are being "overdiagnosed", etc. etc. I hear that type of thing a lot.  I know what they are trying to say (it is a spectrum after all), but it's about the level of IMPAIRMENT and not liking bright lights or loud noises is not the same as being HURT by them or unable to cope with them period, not to mention all the diagnositic criteria of having significant impairment in language developement, social interactions, etc. To me, it belittles what my poor dd has to go through every day just to try to learn to speak or cope, and also what I as a parent go through trying to help her and live with it all!

It's like saying if your child has ASD still, it's because you haven't "cured" her. Or it's not so bad because we all have it to one degree or another.  Somebody told my DH today that their 3 yr old grandson or somebody was cured through diet intervention and that all kids display the symptoms of ASD so she doesn't believe ASD really exists. That's where this post is originating from - I HATE hearing stuff like that right now (so soon after diagnosis, everything feels so raw and I am so sad and angry), whereas maybe to others that provides hope and makes them feel better....I don't know. I don't think people MEAN to upset me with these comments, but the comments feel hurtful nonetheless.

I know that ST and preschool are helping my dd (and drugs, behavior therapy, OT or whatnot may or may not also help her or any child on the spectrum) but I would say they're a long way from curing her. I also see a lot of websites for "recovery" from autism, which I haven't looked at myself because I didn't think there was such a thing. Then there's that Let Me Hear Your Voice book which I can't bring myself to read (just can't handle it, I need escapist stuff) and other books like that where the mother is writing this success story about her cured kids. Then I think, WHOA, I better read that book, SHE CURED HER KIDS!!!!!

I just wondered what you guys thought about this idea that there is a cure and that we're all on the spectrum????

hi everyone

one of the hardest parts about having a child with a special need is dealing with other peoples ignorance i have 3 kids my youngest has a series of complex problems including ASD,he is one of twins so you can imagine the fun we have people telling me how lucky i am that the "other one" is ok,which for the record she is not we have just started the rollercoaster of assesment for ASD with her too.We have also had "well he looks FAIRLY normal" not sure what people want him to look like maybe they think he should grow a extra head or have a neon sign flashing above him,sorry my first post on the board and i'm ranting.I don't often let it get me i have learnt to tell myself that other peoples ignorance is there problem and not mine but i have had a long time to put up with the stares Jack is 6 and a 1/2 now and has had problems from day one though i will tell you what i did notice when he got his wheelchair 6 months ago (he had previously used a snugg seat and a major buggy) he suddenly became invisible people went out of there way to avoid looking at him.I don't know what to make of it all i'm hoping that when jack starts his new school in september (he is going to a autistic resource base) we will see a improvement but so long has he is happy i really think that anything else is a bonus

 

again,sorry for the rant

Dee

Again, I feel I want to say that ... I think people say things like "He'll outgrow it" or "ALL toddlers do that!" be/c they honestly don't know what else to say.  If we didn't have children on the spectrum, would WE know what to say if a friend's child was dx'd with it?  I certainly wouldn't.  I'd feel awkward and sorry for them and I'd want to try to find something to say to give them comfort.  Some people think that giving hope (even if it's false hope) is better than saying nothing at all. Dee ... that's part of what we're hear for!  We don't mind ranting. :)  Feel free to vent all you want.  Who else will understand better?
Kellie

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