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Just my opinion, but I don't think it's necessary unless you think intolerances could be causing difficult behaviors or discomfort etc in your child.  I'd see a gastric specialist and have your son tested for intolerance before doing this.  My daughter is moderate-severe autistic, and she is making amazing progress from play based therapies such as floor time.  We do no diets, no bio med and no invasive therapies.  I think some kids with autism definately need a GFCF diet, but many others do not.

It sounds to me like your sone is doing very well with whatever interventions you are using currently.
Good Luck.
My almost 3-year-old son was just diagnosed with autism.  He is high-functioning.  He is learning to talk and doesn't have too many sensory issues.  I haven't really noticed any issues with food, but I've been told that the gluten/casein free diet is good for kids with autism.  My question is- how necessary is it??  Will it make a huge difference?  We tried the diet for 2 1/2 weeks and it was just too much.  My son is very tiny already and he refused to eat anything but rice cakes and lost over 5 lbs.  All his little clothes were falling off.  I had to call it quits.  Any advice??  Should I stick with it?   An alternative to the gf/cf diet
is simply to use enzymes
which are usually sourced from
( amongst other things )
pineapple and papaya

This is the route we take

we use things like whey protein
which is an excellent source of protein
and we get ours in a chocolate flavour

forker
My son is such a picky eater that I could never pull off the GFCF diet.  Sometimes, if he's tired or irritable he refuses to eat at all.  I've added the fish oil supplement which he'll eat straight off a spoon, a multivitamin and any liquid supplement that he can't detect in his juice.  I've found that I can't take anything away because to introduce a new food takes weeks and he can't afford to lose the weight.  Otherwise he is pretty healthy so the GFCF diet has gone on the back burner for now. 

We did the diet only because we found great alternatives to what she liked to eat already (chic nuggets, fries, corn chips, waffles...they have isles of GFCF now of everthing imagineable for your child to eat..when we did it almost 4 years ago stores carried very little ...

if you are having great trouble finding substitutes then try the enzymes...many parents have had great success with them. The progress you might see may not be dramatic but usual reports are greater awareness, eye contact and more attempts to communicate to really huge progress of speaking sentences and bowels issues resolved and stims reduced or extinguished..and some have no results at all...I say try it for at least 6 months to get a real result from it..and if none are seen then quit it:) Good luck!

Hi! I'm new here.  We are considering trying the gluten/casein free diet for our son.  I've heard that things can get worse before they get better, and to plan on giving it a month before making a call.  I also know that for some kids it helps and for others is doesn't make a difference.  I really wish there was a definitive test that would let parents know if it's right for their child.I was told to stick it out for a year by DAN doc to see the best results..something about the body taken months to rid these glutien and casien protiens?  Most parents try in earnest at least 6 mos. but it that is too hard just try the enzymes:)Gwenyven...my son also did amazing on the GF/CF diet.  We took him off the wheat (he was already casein free due to true allergy) for a month.  He was doing absolutely amazing...then we slipped him some wheat and for three days he was an absolutely different kid.  His eye contact was terrible.  His attending was terrible.  So back on the diet he went and he's been on it since October.  I would suggest that you try it for six months (None whatsoever...even a little can break it).  Good luck.

Thanks for the encouragement, my2monkeys.  I will absolutely keep up the gfcf diet.  On the times my son has had some accidental contamination with gluten, he reverts to heavily autistic behavior within 24 hours.  I attribute so much of his progress to this diet, and I (unfortunately) have the feeling he would do even better if I eliminated rice and soy as well, though this is going to be difficult to swing. 

I am so glad to hear directly from another mom who found this diet worked for her child.  =)

what enzymes are you talking about? 

these are enzymes that are very helpful for my girl:

http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/products/enzymes/enzym_dppiv/Enzy m_Complete_II_Isogest.html

thanks bonbon,  i will give these a try.  do you give jaden any other supplements?

my son was asd and oral motor dysfunction, spd when i first attempted at 14 mos. it takes about 3 weeks to see if dairy is an issue and expect a big regression after a few days to a week if dairy if a problem. do dairy first. i started because of loose bowel issues, but constipation can be a reason too. my son made eye contact, vocalizations, and could sit still a minute afterwards, no more diahrrhea sp? and head banging decreased. there used to be a problem with gluten, we removed that, its been several months and he is doing much better. i did keep him on soy formula (soy doesnt affect my son).

its trial and error, and doesnt work for everyone. its hard and time consuming and expensive. but in our case removing dairy and dye and high fructose worked amazingly. my son is now pdd between food removals and me being at home 24/7 and doing therapy. lisa lewis makes good cookbooks, carol phenster phd is by far the best cookbooks. closest to normal. lots of links online. if you have a whole foods market or my organic market or even wegmans that will help. you can buy so many premade things. fish sticks, chicken nuggets and tenders, sausages, and it doesnt have to be sooooooooo hard. heinz, ore rida, ballpark, esskay, utz, lays, richs, hebrew national, uncle bens, are just a few major brands that have gf/cf foods that are 'normal' as long as you are just trying to do gf/cf to see if theres a problem without removing additives. if you want to try again and need some advice, help, etc feel free to let me know. my sons scheduled for feeding clinic at krieger but in the last 6 mos hes doing really good.

but know you are supported in whatever you decide, gf/cf or not!

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forker

GoJo88-

So, you started out doing the gfcf diet and then later found that small amounts of dairy/gluten did not negatively affect your son?

I am pretty sure that even a single wheat cracker makes my boy have diarrhea and temper tantrums.... but sometimes I have thought about perhaps giving him a bit of cheese and seeing what happens.

 

We were on GFCF for a year and I decided to take him off so I could test his celiac possibility and he was fine for a about a month or two and then the hyperactivity was something else....the teachers could hardly get him to sit in a chair or focus on a toy...so back to GFCF we went and added some other diets...I think for some kids, it takes longer to show a reaction...my 4 yr old can have a gluten infraction and not fall apart!!!Milk is a big culprit for Sarah..she get zoned out if she drinks too much~not always but if she has had cheese pizza and milk in one day she is druggy and sluggish.  I try to limit it..the glutein doesnt seem to bother her no more.  My oldest has ulcerative colitus and milk is the most offensive to her diet as well..we give her lots of probiotics everyday to keep it under control.

Go with your gut instinct on what works for your son.

Dear forker,

YES!! It is from a Christian song..."GIVE THANKS with a greatful heart, GIVE THANKS to the holy one..."

Looks like my "Immunocal" and your " Redback" may be two different products but with the same contents. I got mine thru my wife's bro-in-law who lives in Canada. He works as a distributor for this product.

The description of my product goes like this, "IMMUNOCAL is a US patented natural food protein concentrate which assists the body in maintaining optimal concentrations of glutathione (GSH) by supplying precursors required for intracellular glutathione synthesis. These precursors are derived from a specially prepared bovine whey protein isolate."

It comes in satchets, 30 sachets in a box which costs RM 275/box. Abt Aussie Dollar 93 or US Dollar 79. One satchet for each serving. So it runs out in 15 days if given twice a day.

Improvements ??? I believe there are...He definitely doesn't succumb easily to infections (the common cough/cold stuff) like he used to...

Hi boobear

is "Immunocal" a brand by any chance ?
the brand we use is "Redback"
available in Australia

we order ours on the internet
and get in 3 kg bulk

We try to give 3 times a day
it isn't specifically for autism symptoms per se
mostly to supply essential proteins missing in
our childrens' usually very limited diet
and if mixed cold or luke-warm
doesn't de-nature the protein

forker

p.s that sig of yours, is from a song isn't it ?

Dear forker,

I read elsewhere in a thread that you are using whey protein.

Is it by any chance Immunocal ?

Anyway, our boy has been on it since Mac 06. Initially it was once a day. Then currently he's on it twice a day.

Progress?? Well he's definitely not regressing. Social interaction has increased but it may also be coincidental with increase in age.  

Some backround: My son is 2.5yrs and a picky eater. He's had eczema since infancy and we've suspected Autism I guess a year or so. We finally had an evaluation the other day and are awaiting the report.

We haven't been able to get him to eat foods that his "normal" peers are eating. His meals (and inbetween) consist of a mixture of Similac Alimentum and Gerber Foods. In the morning we mix his formula with Gerber Fruit. In the afternoon, with a Veggie and/or Meat. In the evening, a mixed Gerber... like Chicken and Wild Rice.

He'll show interest in Chicken Nuggets and Fries, but tends to vomit when he has anything other than his fluid diet. Including crackers, cheerios, etc. It's quite a production to get him to accept anything from a spoon or fork. And he must have sensory issues because he's only willing to pickup/touch dry foods like Gerber Zweiback Toast, Carrot Wagon Wheels, and Banana Puffs.

He's thin and tall, like his parents, but his cheeks are full so the Pediatrician tells us not to worry and to keep trying. But he only eats half (or even less) when we try the spoon and/or other textured 3rd stage foods. The only finger foods he will consider are like I said...Nuggets and Fries. He loves Gerber Zweiback Toast, Carrot Wagon Wheels, Banana Puffs and sometimes the Biter Biscuits but he vomits from those too if he's had something to eat prior to.

Recently, our Walmart started selling the DHA Gerber Rice cereals and 2 fruits. So I thought we'd try 'em. Give him something different. And without even realizing it/trying, we did notice a difference in him. He just seemed a bit more "awake".

Shortly thereafter, we finally went for our 1st evaluation. Where the Dr. has recommended the GFCF diet...in conjunction with Gerber ORGANIC foods. She recommended NO MIXED foods like Mixed Veggies. If we want to feed him Peas and Carrots...just mix one container of Peas and one of Carrots. She says there's more preservatives in mixed foods and to avoid such when possible.

We haven't started all the GFCF stuff yet because it's been difficult to find everything she's prescribed, but we have switched to ORGANIC Gerber foods but I think I already made a mistake with that...I fed him Organic-Pasta Primovera. Which just because it's organic doesn't mean it's GFCF. To some of you "label readers" I'm sure my mistake was obvious to you, but proper nutrition and reading labels has never been my thing.

Granted I feed my son as healthily as possilble, but as for me I'm a fast-food junkie. So knowing what's in what is REALLY new and really OVERWHELMING to me.

But I'm doing my best to educate myself and make some changes. And in the few days I have attempted the GFCF diet, I haven't been able to rule out everything... I have at least reduced some of his intake. Which thinking about it, weaning is probably a better approach. And I have noticed a difference in his mood. Even his eczema has improved slightly.

I'll have to get the books mentioned above. It all just seems so overwhelming right now. I work nights and care for my son during the day, so I rarely have time to sleep, let alone read or make my own foods.

Hmmm...I think she prescribed some enzymes. I'll have to double check. Like I said, right now...it's all so overwhelming and I don't know one product from another...probiotics, etc. ???

We missed the DAN! craze and I am not going to try it now (this is my personal decision, of course).  However, it doesn't surprise me to hear that many kids who didn't previously have apparent gut issues improve to some extent on these diets. My feeling is that that's because the parents are finally FORCED to get their kids to eat reasonably good foods and a wider variety of foods.  Personally, I don't think it's because most of the children need to be without gluten and casein. It's just that they needs BETTER DIETS overall.  I know many parents who tried these diets for up to two years and so no positive changes and then went back to "normal" diets and saw no negative changes.  So it's totally individual. However, I don't see a lineup of tons of "recovered" kids.  In fact, of the hundreds of ASD kids I know, not a single one has "recovered."  Most have improved, but that has been through many years of lots of therapy, not through any diet that I have seen.  Others on the alternative therapy threads will tell you otherwise.  Obviously, you need to weigh the evidence and make your own decision.

The truth is, it's not going to hurt your child to try these things. But I would keep VERY close track (as in ABA-type data collection) of the behaviors you want to target through using the diet. Those you want to increase (social interaction, for example) and those you want to decrease (stimming, for example).  Just keep track all day every day of these behaviors.  Over a period of months, you should see some pattern.  If there are no changes or if there are significantly negative changes (I'd wait at least 3 months) then stop the diet.  If there are positive changes, you'll obviously continue. I'd also take videos regulary to visually track your child's progress. I'd also keep track of the interventions he's getting in school.  If you track those interventions alongside of the diet intervention, you might be able to tell if it's actually the SCHOOL intervention that's doing the most good. For example, if you see the least stimming on Tuesdays and Thursdays and it turns out that those are your child's OT days when he gets A LOT of sensory integration therapy, I think you can conclude that the SI therapy has something to do with the improvements.

If you depend solely on your perceptions over time and not on contemporaneous note taking, you'll never really know what helped, if anything.  Good luck.

Tzoya - I think you make an important point about our kids needing better diets, and not necessarily a specific diet.  I've been on the fence about the gluten/casein free diet because neither of my kids have ever had any digestive problems, they don't crave any particular food, and they eat a wide variety of foods including fruits and vegetables.  The one thing I have tried to do since their diagnosis is read labels.  I've been buying more and more foods from the organic section in an attempt to reduce the amount of garbage going into their bodies.  I was orginally going to try the diet starting this summer, but in the summer the boys play hard from morning until night.  How am I going to know that any improved behavior is from the diet, and not all of the physical activity?  HmmmMy 4 yr old was on GFCF at 2 1/2 for a year and I didn't noticed many changes either...we went to a DAN and got him tested through Great Plains Lab for gluten and casein peptides...this is the best way to know for sure if your child can tolerate these foods...we also tested for yeast markers (organic acid test) and he was loaded, he also has a problem with oxalates...so we do the diet thing and he is so much better!!!

I just want to post a little note of encouragement.  My son is now 19 months old and has been gfcf since early March.  In that time he has made astounding progress.  Before going gfcf I had a terribly fussy, picky, rigid, whiny, headbanging, self-isolated, stimming boy who made very little eye contact, resisted hugging and rocking, and had no social vocabulary.  Now I have a talkative, sociable, pleasant boy who snuggles on my lap and picks up new words on a daily basis.  He is still a little quirky and his eye contact is not what it "should" be ... but neither is mine.

I was never into special diets or alternative/natural treatments before I saw this work with my own eyes.  I thought this kind of thing was for kooks. 

A good thing to keep in mind is that autism is just a set of symptoms and a child may display these symptoms for many different reasons.  It also isn't always apparent which children have food intolerances.  Many kids who cannot tolerate certain foods just appear to be extremely sensory-seeking or badly behaved.  It's obvious to me that in my son's case, food sensitivities aren't the only factor at play.  We also have a lot of engineers and analytical thinkers in the family.  My son's systematic approach to life (and his social delays) is likely due to this as well. 

Gwenevyn39224.9024074074IMHO, the only thing that truly improves the symptoms of autism is excellent and constant education.  I'd focus on that unless there are some physical symptoms.  And I'd go to a traditional allergist or GI person first, not a doctor with a financial interest in certain 'protocols.'  These doctors may help some kids with specific issues, but I have yet to hear of a DAN! doctor offering to treat a child pro bono.  My son's pediatrician has done lots of pro bono work.  As far as I have heard, DAN! doctors always charge.  And they charge a lot.

We just went to it last week. I have been able to replace most of his food items. I created a 2 week rotation menu on excel and posted it on the fridge so dad & the daycare person would know what to feed him. A good website with recipes www.tacanow.org I was told and read Children with Starving Brains, 3rd edition, that older kids take 1-3 months to see results. Check out this published paper by Dr. Jim Adams at ASU. He is head of the Chemistry Dept. at ASU and has a daughter with autism. I know people who have said their child went from night to day with the diet. http://www.eas.asu.edu/~autism/Additional/Summarybiomed07.pd f 

Good Luck! Also my local whole food grocer will order foods for me by the case (usually 4 loaves) of gfcf items. Kinnick bread is great and their donuts are AMAZING!

 

My son was diagnosed shortly after his second birthday, he will be five in August.  I started the gfcf in October 2006 and we saw major improvement almost immediately.  He suffered with chronic ear infections, breathing problems (asthma), and constant stomach problems.  About two weeks after starting the diet his stomach problems were gone and he has not had an ear infections in months.  He was in an inclusion pre-k class this past year and before the diet they were considering taking him out and putting him in self-contained.  They decided against it because his behavior improved so much.  Before starting the diet I read every book I could find and found substitutes for everything my child liked to eat and then started with something along the lines of the elimination diet.  He had the same breakfast, lunch and dinner for 2 weeks and then I gradually added things to his diet.  It became obvoius real quick what foods he was sensative to.  The book I started with was Eating Your Way out of Autism one bite at a Time.  This was great to help me understand the characteristics of a child that is wheat and dairy sensative.    Two great books are "The Kid-Friendly ADHD & AUTISM Cookbook" by Compart and Laake, and Autism for Dummies.  The diet is expensive and time consuming but worth it for me.  My bread maker and food saver are my best friends.
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