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Connor was given the TOPL as well

That's a good point.  I've found that students can sometimes demonstrate a knowledge of what to do in different social situations, but that may be a far cry from how they actually function.    

 

 

Adam was given the TOPL and because of the results he is finally in Speech Therapy.    Just a small thought:

HFA and Asperger's kids can test well in a pragmatic language test.  Particularly since some tests are not time limited, and so the kids get as long as they want to think about the answer.  Unfortunately in a social situation the kids do not have the luxury of waiting until the answer comes to them.  So if your are hoping to qualify your son based on pragmatic language deficits, when the real issue is social cognition, it can be a bust.

Our school tested a son for language pragmatics to exit him special education.  He has no friends etc, but until he flunks the test they won't give a damn.

If you can find it, look for Carolyn Compton's "A Guide to 100 tests for Special Education".  Unfortunately, it costs at Amazon. so you may want to find it in a library.  It is supposed to cover a bunch of tests and what they actually do test.  I have not seen it yet myself.
Hi,
I am a speech therapist and for what it's worth the tests that people mentioned above are usually the ones that I have administered in the past to assess pragmatic skills. Both the Clinical Evaluation of Language Fundamentals-4 pragmatic profile and the Test of Pragmatic Language -TOPL.
High Functioning kids and Asperger's kids can test well. In fact I just had a student who's score on the TOPL was not that bad.
If I am assessing a student who we are concerned about ASD I rely more on informal data with regards to conversational sample. You can obtain a lot of information about eye contact, reciprocal conversation-turn taking, topic maintenance, voice-inflection pattern from that.
 As well as information reported by teacher/parents from the CELF-4 Observational Rating Scale.

Unfortunately the observation data is somewhat subjective.  We were given a list of my son's friends that included mainly classmates who bully him.  We are also told that he had good eye contact but I saw him carry out a whole conversation w/o looking at the SLP until she grabbed him under the chin and turned him towards her (I wish I had my cell phone camera).

I don't mean to dump on you, but I do want to mention to parents that the SLP can skew the observations if he/she desires to do so, and there is not a lot you, as a parent, can do since no one believes the parents.

In my experience, my HFA kid was transitioned to the mainstream and left w/o support because he can score well on a few standardized tests.

Here is a short article called "Can Social Pragmatic Skills Be Tested?"

http://www.iidc.indiana.edu/irca/communication/socialpragmat ic.html

It mentions the TOPL, but the problem is that it is non-emotional and decontextualized.  Therefore pragmatics are often tested through observations in situations.  The evaluator might set up a situation which designed to be frustrating for the child and see if the child could still respond appropriately more than once (a child with autism often can't handle more than taking one turn in a conversation).

 

Can anyone tell me what type of testing can be used to determine if a child has pragmatic language?  The school is wanting to test my son, but i want to make sure that they perform the correct test... thanks!

http://lshss.asha.org/cgi/content/abstract/36/1/62

This is the only coherent link I could really find though I will search for more.

I find it interesting when they use the phrase "pragmatic use of language." This was one of the key phrases used with my son, but it seems to have been used interchangeably with "dynamic exchange." If I were to look at these two phrases I would think them diametrically opposed, but I guess they are not in the vernacular of the spectrum.

They will probably be using methods to see how your son does with back and forth conversations, answering questions, abstracts, and perhaps reading a paragraph and having a conversation about it.

I am simply hazarding a guess though.

I hope this is a good start for you and best of luck!

The test they used with Adam was Clinical Evaluation of Language Fundamentals-4: Pragmatics profile.

Karrie

My daughter had an evaluation of her pragmatic language fairly recently. The test is age-normed and called the "TOPL" which stands for "Test of Pragmatic Language". I hope to use it as a springboard to get more speech therapy, perhaps not at the school since they don't view it as a problem, but maybe through private insurance.

The TOPL is detailed a little in the link I provided.
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