I asked st if since my son is a late talker if he will read later? She said yes probably. SO I thought I would ask for those who have older children who eventually spoke or didnt when they started reading.
Here is what I know about speech and reading. MOST (haha) children talk about 18mos with small conversation by 3 years. MOST children read their name by 5yrs, read letters and site words (cat the) by first grade, sentences and picture books before 2and, and paragraphs by 3rd. The purpose of the question is to see correlation between lateness of talking or any form of speech with lateness of reading. I can also use this info in my early childhood classes so any details would be great, like if you had extra services like private tutors. Thanks in advance!
A typical kid by the age of five is suppose to know their address, full name, phone number, parents name. By the first grade they are suppose to know alot of words, simple sentences, how to write them, etc., write a 3 or 4 sentence summary on a very short story. Second grade is longer paragraphs, harder words. Third grade is writing a story on an event or summer vacation for example. As far as speech, it is not uncommon for boys in particular to be slow talkers. Now some kids can have a mini conversation with you at the age of 2. Now I was told about Jeffrey that he would learn to read before he would talk. Considering he stopped talking altogether. But he can read quite well now but is still behind.
Tammy
Also keep in mind that reading can be a savant ability in our kids....
One woman I know (not my friend but my aunts) her son is reading 1st grade books and he is 4.... He has aspergers. I have heard that this isn't uncommon in other kids on the spectrum besides aspies.
Nate was slow to talk, first word around 18 mo, (cookie), first 2 word phrase around 3 yrs... Doesn't talk a lot still but has really started picking that up this past year. Unfortunately, he's yet to master the concept of a dialogue, it's mainly monologue. He walks in the room, tells you whatever he needed to say and then turns around and walks out. If you try and engage him he'll either stop, look at you with a very perplexed look on his face and then give you another monologue on an entirely different subject or just keep walking. When he does this to people who don't live with him I simply explain, "He's done with you now." lol. He is slowly starting to have mini conversations. He began st at 6, he's about to turn 10, and we've seen minimal improvement.
Now in reading he's very behind. He will start 4th grade in the fall and he reads at a 3.1 grade level. That is a huge improvement though, he started 3rd grade reading at a 1.6. The biggest problem we've had w/ Nate is his ability to fool people. He made it through 1st grade the 1st time while only being able to consistently read 2 words: "and" and "the". His reading grades were all A's and B's. Over the summer we discovered that he had a remarkable ability to memorize entire children's books after only hearing them one or 2 times. As a result he repeated 1st grade and it's just been very slow going ever since. This past year was great but you have to take into consideration that he received 10 hrs of reading a week, 1.5 hrs per day w/ the consultative teacher, 1.5 hrs per week with the reading remediation specialist, and 1 hr per wk w/ a private reading tutor who has a master's in spec. ed. Nate also has ESY for reading, school let out at the end of May but he isn't done until the end of this week. The ESY has only been 1/2 days though so it hasn't been that bad and I'm not at all impressed w/ the program, I think that they did it just to get the extra money allotted for these programs by NCLB. It hasn't helped anything except his transition from having a full day away schedule to being home all day.
I don't know how much the 2 are related, I just know that we have both speech and reading issues.
Well this one will probably blow you away and seem like out of the norm. Just goes to show you not all kids on the spectrum have the same issues.
Here late talker does NOT mean late reader!
Tyler lost aquired speech at about 12 months when he got a High temp immediately following his immunizations (MMR, DTP). He started with Early intervention around 14 months. By 18 months he had inhome Speech, play and behavior therapy. He didnt become verbal until he was 4+ AFTER a full year of special ed preschool. I delayed kindergarten a year because he only made cut off by 4 days, also he wasnt yet potty trained and couldn't hold a pencil or write his name, color paint cut etc.
Tyler turned 6 about 3 weeks after kindergarten started. They taught pre reading skills in kindergarten as well as writing. The school used Phonics to teach reading. Tyler memorizes EVERYTHING so I guess it made it easy for him. He was reading by the end of Kindergarden! Starting in first grade he had weekly spelling tests. words like frog, jump, farm, which, lake, little and so on. They also have a bonus word every week like grandparents, because or pumpkin. Tyler NEVER has studied for ANY spelling test and gets 100% nearly every time ever since first grade. He just finished 3rd. Reading in 2nd grade was at a 7. something grade level. Problem is COMPREHENSION, he memorizes the story so when he answers questions for comprehension it appears he has understood what he has read HOWEVER test him again later and he has no recollection.
One would think too with his ability to speall and read he should be wonderful with his writing skills. He is not. He cant write a simple paragrah without prompts for the Topic Sentence 3 example sentences or the summary statement. He is also so literal that when the teacher explained a summary statement should start "In the future", "I think", or "I wish" he refuses to start it any other way and so the paragraph doesnt always flow smoothly.
One of Tyler's favorite things to do right now is to read through The Pittsburgh Steelers Yearbook (
While all the time he was verbal, he didn't have full sentences until he was almost 3 years old. He didn't start to have much conversational speech until almost 4 years old and its still very limited (plus difficulty with topic maintenance). On the other hand, my nt almost 3 year old barely knows any letters at all, can't count, and shows minimal interest in learning them. Though he is picking stuff up from his big bro, he's just more interested in dinosaurs and cars then alphabets.
Since my oldest is very much visual spatial inclined, his reading was mostly self taught visually. He loves a website called starfall.com which is a bunch of simple stories the child can see and hear. and since he could do it himself (which in his mind is ALWAYS better then having mom and dad help) he picked it up and mastered it fairly quickly.
We have found it rather difficult at first to get people to beleive he actually knew all the letters and numbers and starting to read, as many claimed it was simple rote memorization and him spewing stuff out randomly, but just getting lucky 100% of the time! But once the raliation set in that he could read, it has become a vaulable tool in working with him in many settings.. from timelines and schedules to social stories, to helping him write out his frustrations when he can't find the words to use.
Hi there!
Our 4 1/2 yr. old has down syndrome and autism. He's been reading (sounding words out phonetically) for almost a year now. I think our children are ALL different, but here's what has helped us:
http://www.loveandlearning.com
The love and learning program is a low-budget but very effective way to teach children a wonderful foundation and build on it. Gavin first learned the name of each letter and the sound it made, then went on to simple words. He LOVES to watch videos, so why not teach him something at the same time? He is starting to read simple sentences now. NOTE: even though he can sound out the word MOM he never calls me that or uses it spontaneously in speech!!!
So, in our case reading has been easy and speech difficult, but progressing.
Best wishes to you as you continue to try new things. Our journey has included ASL (sign language) the PECS system (picture exchange system) and the love and learning program, as well as outside speech therapy. I hope you'll find just the right thing for your child!
-sleeplessinmn
Gabe will be in the fifth grade and still reads at a basic first grader level. He is very impulsive so it is very hard to teach him, let alone test him. Also since he tends to be a lazy kid the more exercise he can get the better off it is for him in the long run. If you would let him he would watch tv 24/7. Now today he spell map for his pca and me, without us even asking. But that is considered a basic three letter word.
Tammy
Now if only I could convince him there are no camels in the swimming pools here.........................
Ok I gotta ask...What? Am I missing something, and inside joke,,I gotta hear this...........
Tammy We discussed that documentary in the chatroom one night. And there is no way to really tell if that person has that high of an iq or not. Facilitated communicator still has alot of controversy. Tammy Tammy
you although he was unable to tell you his name. This ability caused his
peditritian to listen to us when we said that Lou was more then just
"spoiled".
I also saw a TV documentary on CNN about a girl with autisim and she
isn't very vocal however she is a junior in college. And I've heard
numerous stories of parents whose only communincation with their
autistic child is the written word.
Hope that helps.
Kim
Mom of Lucian 4yr old pdd/autism
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