I don't know if it would be reversible if it has done permanent brain damage...
I do know that magnesium supplementation took down my toxic mercury levels from my fillings that caused me fibromyalgia. I am looking into liquid magnesium supplementation for Levi. I am also switching my family over to only raw dairy products and all organic foods to see if detoxifying helps. I have talked to a lot of moms who have seen a HUGE improvement by trying this. Some moms swear by a seaweed supplement out there as well.
My son never had his MMR shot until last week (I had actually delayed because of the controversy until I realized he had it anyhow)...but I wonder if the mercury from my fillings and crown passed through to him during my pregnancy.
Does anyone who is not new to autism buy into the mercury poisoning theory??
Just curious.
I think that the vaccines and all the murcury I was exposed to myself caused the probelm. I agree that I don't think it is reversible. I think the damage has been done. I am not complete convinced about it all, but I know I wont immunize any more of my children, just to be sureMy newest pediatrician is very certain that there is no connection between the two. He cited, ofr example, a study in Sweden where the mercury has been removed from immunizations since 1993, yet their rate of autism is growing like here in the US. He also cited a bunch of other studies regarding the issue, but that one stuck out for me.No way to know if the mercury in the shots causes autism until all mercury is removed from the vaccines. They are still in them, even tho the drug companies "claimed" they would remove them. Here is a link on that:
http://www.autism-pdd.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=988& KW=mercury+in+vaccines
Tammy
First, hi Jareds Dad and welcome to our board, nice to have you here....
Second, let me refer you to the many threads we have on Immunizations and Mercury. http://www.autism-pdd.net/forum/search.asp?KW=Vaccinations&a mp;SM=1&SI=PT&FM=0&OB=1
Third, ... I do believe that my sons MMR shot played a role in his regression and unltimate delay in growth. There is too much evidence to back it up. If you read through some of those threads there you will see I am not the only mom who feels this way.
I am fairly new to this board but I do also believe that the mercury vaccinations do play a role in this. I have read so many articles on it .
Hello to both of you.
Then should I also assume that you believe that autism is reversable as well?
I know all of us would do anything in our power to help our kids.
I know many people believe the mercury theory. I don't have an answer on that one. My son was "different" from the time he was born. I think it comes too many forms to have one answer.
I am not sure about everyone else, but I believe Autism runs in my DH's family even though there has not been a diagnosis. We will hopefully approach that subject w/ them in the future since there are a few family members that definately show some red flags for falling on the spectrum.
I believe that some people have the gene for Autism and environmental factors, such as mercury exposure or somehow upsetting the hormonal balance in one's body, can be the 'trigger' for Autism to develop. I even believe that in some kids, even a little dose can cause a negative reaction based on the child's genetic make up. To me, this explains why not every child develops Autism when receiving a vaccination or being exposed to mercury while in the mother's womb. It is similar as to why not everyone develops cancer when exposed to certain environmental factors (please keep in mind that I am not saying they are the same, but merely providing another example that someone might be more familiar with)
I have also recently read about (not sure how true, but it does make some sense) how women w/ pregnancy induced hypo or hyperthyroidism could deliver a child w/ Autism. Apparently, the hormonal imbalance can cause damage to the fetus's development. I don't think pregnant's women's bloodwork are checked for this, but I believe this might have been one of the factors for my daughter developing Autism since I was diagnosed w/ hypothyroidsim have delivering my second child...along w/ the genetic link and the possibility of the vaccinations making her condition worse. I saw the 'red flags' since she was an infant before most of her vaccinations.
I don't think the damage can be reversed, but I do believe that there may be certain foods or minerals that can cause some type of neurological allergic reaction (does that even make sense) that can make some characteristics of Autism worse in some people, such has the non-responsive behavior. This is where the gf/cf diets or organic diets (mentioned earlier) may be factored in.
Here's the thing.... and this is just my opinion... but I am not a person for generalizations and thus why I usually put always somewhere in my posts that what is with your child is NOT with mine.... it is like EVERYTHING else having to do with autism. Some therapies work.... Some do not.... Some diets work.... Some do not.... Depending on the child. If you personally don't believe that Mercury had anything to do with your child becoming autistic.... I would believe you, because I don't believe that vaccines and mercury affect EVERY child on the spectrum. I do however believe that some of these childeren.... mine in particular are more inclined to the autism gene and something had to turn it on.... Zachary regressed very badly after his MMR shot.... I have video's and documentation of Zach's development BEFORE this happend (even when he was in the hospitol at 6 months old, Zach was developing ahead of schedule... the nurses were always coming and telling me some new things he did while i was in the shower or talking with a Dr.).... Zach rolled over at a month old... he was crawling at 5 months and sat up on his own a week after that. There is much much more I could go into with all of this.... but if I sat here and went over Zach's whole life history, progression and regression we'd be here for a week. There are other moms on this board who have the same documentation.... and their childeren were also on Antibiotics and some had ear infections when they recieved thier shots... not something that is supposed to happen.
Do I believe that autism is reversable because of my son being exposed to things in an unhealthy manner when he was just a year old??? NO, I'd be ignorant to think so... there is no cure for autism, plain and simple. I do believe that with therapy and hard work Zach will progress and become a healthy succussful part of society.
Like I said... these things only apply to my child, I do not ever try to sit here and say "well it worked for Zach, so it must apply to all autistic children." That would be very arogant and ignorant of me to do. Every child on this spectrum is different... in EVERY way.... how they show symptoms, thier personalities, the way they tantrum and meltdown, even how they show affection,.... because we all know they do even if it doesn't seem so. Just my 50 cents worth.
I just don't understand why they put it in at all. I mean if there is even an inkling that it could do harm..why not take it out..You get mercury warnings not to eat fish and stuff, and then inject it into our children. Is it cheaper or something..Some places have removed it, so it must not be necessary. I donno it just bugs meEvidence of Harm.
This is the link to the thread I had going about vaccines....Michelle posted a very good article about the Amish community on there I'd encourage everyone to read.... she also posted some links there.... http://www.autism-pdd.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=679& KW=Zachiesmom
Also Danielee this is the way our government works. This is the same government that did lsd tests on some people in the military and then tried to cover it up. That is why you will never see a U.S. study on vaccines with mecury and the causes and effects with autusn, It would be too expensive to do the study. Plus even if they did the government would try to cover it up. And the drug companies would never go for it.
Tammy
ok guys dont want to get tomatoes thrown at me but im affraid my children didnt have their vaccines done as their was all the hype at the time and me being paranoid left it . and as it seems that my youngest is probably asd as well i dont know what causes it . i really dont belive it can be reversed i dont mean to be a misery but i just think its one of those unfortunate things and i hope one day they can work out why it happens so that other people dont have to go through what our kids are Okay, my turn ( please refrain from throwing any items of any sort) i beleive that our kids are genetically predisposed to the disorder, whether a weakened immune system or family history of mild symptom or another nuerological impairment of some sort. I do believe that environmental toxins do play arole in things, shots? air pollution? illegal disposal of toxic waste? what do all of these things have in common? MERCURY. i was the one of ( and i say that because I know that there are others here) moms whose child was vaccinated while suffering from an ear infection, it was discovered after the shots were administered but am also the mom whose child seemed different from birth, remember a baby gets a hepb shot hours after being born( for the mom who posted the timeline of the nineties, remember the term "drive thru deliveries" ) I also live in the part of the country where people have been lobbying for years about air pollution and a few months back the epa stated in a sense, yes you're correct and the levels are very high and we'll correct this problem by the year....drum roll please.... 2020. ( the levels of mercury in the air brought up by the jet stream from coal processing plants) i shared last night with a few about a conversation with my old ped. when he stated " do you think the govt and medical community would allow this if it was harmful " and i smiled my million dollar smile and said " i don't thimk you'd tell me if you did." i think vaccines are great, they serve a useful purpose, noone wants to see children stricken with polio and all the other diseases that have since been erradicated, but the govt requested, not demanded, that ethol mercury be removed from vaccines in 2000, it is documented that many of these vaccines were still in use up until late 2001. when this was "requested", many vaccine makers refused and still do refuse to put what the actual vaccine contains sighting patent protection on their products. i agree with all that state, they may never do proper studies showing the effects or causes of autism, far too much money at stake and far too many high profile lobbiest and politicians that might have to take the fall. do i think autism can be reversed, No , with help and hardwork, perhaps the characteristics could go unseen to the untrained eye for a time for some but not all. Alright ladies, that was my nickel, won't say 2 cents because it got alittle long for awhile. and I'll state once again for the record, this is my opinion on this and i hope you respect it asmuch as I respect yours.[QUOTE=Jared's Dad]Does anyone who is not new to autism buy into the mercury poisoning theory??
Just curious.
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Please don't throw tomatoes at me, but I don't believe in the mercury poisoning theory. I researched it before I had my younger children immunized. The symptoms of mercury poisoning are similar, but they're not identical to autism. With mercury poisoning, you'd have slurred speech like a stroke patient rather than delayed/lost speech like our children; and you'd have tremors/spasms like Parkinson's rather than self-stimulatory hand flapping. Also, mercury exposure in the womb would lead to a smaller head circumference, whereas many autistic children have a large head circumference.
My seemingly normal son had regressive autism (stopped talking and retreated into a shell), and I wondered if the MMR theory was plausible. But, as I've learned more about normal child development through the years and through watching my NT children develop, I've realized that there were many clues I missed simply because I was not trained to spot them. Of course, it still took a lot of nerve for me to vaccinate my other children. Made my stomach turn inside out because people are so passionate and persuasive on this issue.
If you're looking for a guide on how best to proceed, I'd recommend http://www.autism-watch.org/ be one of your information sources. I'm not necessarily an ABA or bust person, though. To me, it's the fact that you're intervening early and intensively that makes the most difference.
okay yall might throw tomatoes at me too but I don't believe the theory either......I do think it has some affects on children as I have a nephew who is mildly mentally retarded now because of the MMR......He had a severe reaction and went into a coma ......he had to learn how to walk and talk and everything all over again.....I do believe it depends on the child......I know that Curtis' seems to be inherited.....and he was born with his autism........I truly believe that......I hope they are able to find the answer soon so we will all know.....once and for all......
I agree with some and disagree with others. The book Evidence of Harm, by David Kirby is amazing. I 100% believe that mercury played a HUGE role in my children, but I think they were definitely genetically predisposed. I think it is a combination. I will write more later when i have time!Oh I agree shakes. Now as far as the David Kirby book, the author said himself on the show Imus in the Morning on msnbc that if the parents took this to court right now, they would lose. Not enough evidence as yet to win in court. Remember there is a database with all the viles of vaccines, that show just how much mercury is in them. But once again it is a private database.
Tammy
I'm sorry to jump in here, but this article still bothers me, if there's no link, then why do this? I don't know what belief I subscribe to, I think like some others, that MMR played a part, but that maybe my son was "susceptible"...I don't know, but *fishyness* like this is very troubling to me.
http://www.vaccinationnews.com/DailyNews/November2002/USGovt Asks26.htm
I'm a new member here, haven't posted yet...I'm still just shyly reading through the messages, as I still don't have "control" of how I feel yet.
I think you're all very supportive, wonderful, strong parents...your children are blessed to have you!
Hi and welcome to the baord!! Great Post
I know congress was trying to limit the time of lawsuits to three years recently. Just glad I never voted for Bush
Tammy
looking back i always felt there was something wrong with my son long before he got the mmr shot. really believe there is no link. i am more into believing in genetic theory.I don't think mercury caused my child's autism, but maybe it caused some other children's autism. Also, whether or not mercury causes autism, or any other diseases/disorders it should be out of vaccines.I honestly don't remember any regression...I think he's always been progressing to some extent...he seemed like a normal playful baby, then the same as a toddler, only he wouldn't turn if he was "busy" (so I thought) and didn't really speak just babbled and didn't turn when I would call his name...all this noticed around 2...I jumped into attack mode and got him dx as soon as I made some connection...but I dont' know about the vaccines for my guy,...I have held out though on getting his 4 year old vaccines, even though the ped, neuro ped and all the nurses were tsk tsking me and telling me NO CONNECTION, blah blah blah, SURVEY IN SWEDEN...blah blah blah....He is making lots of good progress now...and I just don't want him to regress...
ugh! its so hard to tell, I know some kids it really seems like it was because of the vaccines and others signs were always there...for me I have no clue...I wish I did...its most likely a combo of things...I'm so fearful however to get his 4 year old shots and I know he won't be able to go to school next year w/out them...plus I don't want him to get sick ever...we live in a pretty big city (melging pot) lots of children in his class are from all over the world...and there is more of a risk of catching something unless they were vaccinated too...I'm starting to scare and confuse myself more...sorry I'm no help!
hope you find some answers that help you do what's best for you child!
hugs!
Ali
What many parents (including myself at the time) don't realize, though, is that reaching physical development milestones way ahead of schedule can be an early warning sign of autism. NT babies (on average) are too busy working on social skills that they're less likely to accomplish those physical/motor skills way ahead of time. I think it's important to know this for the sake of early detection and intervention.It is such a huge responsibility to weed through all the informationomg I never thought of mercury in fillings! I know my dentist now only does the white fillings. I forgot about the fact that all filings done before were those silver looking ones.
I am not sure what I believe as far as causes go to be honest. I hear so many diff things from diff sides. Whatever the cause, something is definitely wrong with the HUGE increase of this disorder in recent yrs.
There are many people who notice autism from birth so it wasn't the mmr. But, if maybe the parent had mercury in them that could be it. Never know I guess. It is also interesting to me that it occurs 4 times more in boys than girls. Why is that? Maybe boys are some how more suceptible (spelling?) to mercury that girls? So many holes. Either way I think it's wrong how they are over vacinating kids whether it has anything to do with this disorder or not.
Amber
In my opinion..I dunno. My brother, who is a speech theraptist and a teacher of autistic children, said he believes there is a definite link between the two (vaccines and autism).
On my husband's side of our family there were 4 children born in 1992. ALL have some sort of problem; my child is autistic and her cousin is biopolar. My friend's son was born 2 days after my daughter and he was autistic as well.
I know autism is on the rise, but something really weird happened between 1991 and 1995. Too many kids with this. We need more studies.